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    Exclamation Moderation Guide on your free speech

    This has been stated before but I'll bring it up again because I see a few "the other place" references and would like to reiterate and clarify because policy does evolve with experience and I may be better able to define our principles now than in the past. This you might says is a constitution or bill of rights in as simple of form as I can make at this time it is subject to change at any time.
    THE Hard NO's

    • This is not a place to spread hate or harm to any business or person by malicious means.(motivated by wrongful, vicious, or mischievous purposes)
    • It is not OK to bully or silence the minority opinions with the majority Except for the universally accepted ethics that all men have agreed on since written history began we neither endorse or oppress opinions.
    • Unacceptable when Identifiable are Deceit Lies Theft and physiological or physical harm to the defenseless.
    • Ultimatums, demands, threats and any sort of tantrums or Lawyer talk will fall on deaf ears, legitimate complaints can be presented in a civilized fashion and may be influential.

    The Mostly Yes with some exceptions

    • Dirty words I don't prevent you from using vulgar terms however I won't protect you from the repercussions from others for using them. I would prefer that you reserve strong words to maintain the effectiveness when they are appropriate to express what you feel. reference to a politically incorrect word is ok but repeated use of it may show you in a light that is not healthy for the whole and cause you to be censored. As we have grown to attract a broader age group of family members CrackerCoast would like to Provide a friendlier Public Profile and hence forth use a public skin that uses a word replacement tool that will alter some offensive words and substitute them with a "humorous Family Friendly alternative. This is in development and confirmed members will have the option of using a uncensored skin that will show the original text. This is a significant amount of work and will be implemented on the fly.
    • It is OK for you to say the name or even reference a link to competing sites,business's or public Figures to describe your experience, share information or express your opinion.
      • We have no "name shall not be spoken" rule. We don't pretend that other places don't exist here. in fact we were born out of my experiences at several places beyond our local communities, But we should avoid being tacky.
      • A little satirical commentary is OK But we won't be called on as minions in some battle or start some rant
      • It is poison to the forum and unfortunately addictive. So if any one gets carried away they may find there cracker piper taken away and put in the teachers desk for a while.
      • If you have been censored or mistreated somewhere else say what you had to say on this soap box but don't waste our time bitching about the other soap box we don't care except to prevent ourselves making those mistakes.
      • I ask that CrackerCoast not be used to influence policy elsewhere or other sites / people to become a focus of discussions here.

    • Positive Community interest and personal liberty is our goal, and free speech is king, however some things become damaging to our community and must be squelched, it is not an easy decision ever. and like others have said just because you can say something doesn't mean you should.
    • Personal insults are so subjective and claims of being the receiving end is often abused with frivolousness petty issues,used as weapons themselves I can not make a hard rule that will stand the test of time. To address all of the situations that it is OK and when it is not is an impossible task. so one is best advised to not dish it out if you can't take it in return and if you become a spectacle don't come crying to me.
    • Talking about personal experiences is fine but be careful to avoid derogatory gossip and unfounded
    • We should be nice to one another or at least civil, but I can't force anyone to withhold opinion or like everyone or anyone and should not be expected to take sides. Nor should my or any Moderators personal opinion be considered a bases for favoritism many of my best friends have contrasting points of view.
    • We should talk about what is great about Cracker-coast and never reference what is bad about another place to talk about ours.
    • We have an awesome stage here with lights and curtains and a growing audience . Talk about that and share it.


    THE FUZZY Special situations
    Hard rules can and will be broken and flexible rules are bent the point that distress is eminent is not always clear. With that said I have made some fuzzy rules in the past that you should be aware of because they are subjective and might have timely based reasoning but the precedents I recall off the top of my head are.
    • #1 contrary to appearance I am just a man who is trying hard to be fair and reserve the right to reconsider and address anything on a individual bases or consult advisers I can and will make mistakes and may or may not address them.
    • I have and will kill live links to hate sites like st0rmfr0nt we won't promote their ranking by linking to them but if there is something that you really feel we should see either quote it here (best) or paste a dead link (without the http://) that must be copy and pasted into the browser.
    • Images of genitalia or body parts may be presented in the adult forums as comedic or serious discussions in either realistic or cartoon form.
      • A Not safe for work (NSFW) Prefix should be used If you don't know how ASK.
      • Pornography is subjective and will be removed especially images of penetration and sex acts

    • Disturbing images disease, feces, animal abuse, violence, should never be posted for entertainment, but may have merit for education or information in some situations.
      • should always carry a clear warning in the title above and beyond NSFW and not be embedded if you do not know how to upload and show an image as a link only ASK First.
      • should only be posted in members only section
      • the purpose of posting them should be clearly explained as to why you feel we should see them.
      • they will be removed if they have no social value

    • Tasteless places or topics that ridicule or disrespect the family or recently deceased shall be moderated at my discretion.
    • Insightful reported post will be considered but tantrums and demands will be ignored.
    • Interpersonal family business that is about a third party and posted by someone not directly involved is to be avoided in public parts of the forum and should not contain identifiable information it is likely to fall under the Unpleasant, Libelous or undocumented malicious slander noted below.
    • Personal business that is posted by an individual involved can be expected to have criticisms or opinions posted by others. but may be closed if it gets out of hand and disrupts the other parts of the forums.
    • Unpleasant, Libelous or undocumented malicious slander focusing on an individual that is not of public concern should be avoided and may be squashed depending on the severity or personally identifiable nature of allegations.
      • in that they are allowed to start, is not a guarantee they may not be suppressed and the anonymity of they poster removed.
      • So don't say it if its not true and you are not willing to put your name on it.
      • CrackerCoast reserves the right to protect itself from any legal actions and transfer the burden to the person that presented the information.
      • Even if it is true and you can not back your accusation or it just doesn't concern the public keep it to yourself.



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    Well said and written.

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    Thank you , I do see some spelling errors I need to get back to when I have had more coffee, but I think it covers the spectrum of white hairs on my head.
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    Updated to add clarification on deletion request and active status.
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    Bump this need to be renounced to refresh memories
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    Every new member should be required to read this and agree to its acceptance before granting membership.
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    Sorry I Lost my cool and went outside the boundries. I see now that it was against the rules after all. I will try to maintain a better level of Decorum and in the future.
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    Just listened to this again and think it needs to be included here .


    We should take a lesson from others who negotiate that slippery slope of Insult and offensive words.
    What is banned here is Hate speech, Incitement of Violence, Malicious Emotional Persecution, Fraud and Hard Core Pornography.
    Unproductive off topic disruptions of threads are not deleted but may be moved to the off topic bullshit thread in the Dome.

    Who should decide whether words, posters or ideas are insulting? Individuals? The police? A judge? Should it ever be a criminal matter? It might surprise you to know that under Section 5 of the Public Order Act, the police and the courts can decide if you or someone else might feel insulted.
    http://Lybio.net The Accurate Source To Find Transcript To Rowan Atkinson At Reform Section 5 Parliamentary Reception.”
    [Rowan Atkinson At Reform Section 5 Parliamentary Reception]
    [Rowan Sebastian Atkinson (6 January 1955)] Source: LYBIO.net
    My starting point when it comes to the consideration of any issue relating to free speech is my very passionate belief that the second most precious thing in life is the right to express yourself freely. The most precious thing in life I think is food in your mouth and the third most precious is a roof over your head but a fixture for me in the Number 2 slot for me is free expression, just below the need to sustain life itself. That is because I have enjoyed free expression in this country all my professional life and expect to continue to do so, personally I suspect highly unlikely to be arrested whatever laws exist to contain free expression, because of the undoubtedly privileged position that is afforded to those of a high public profile. So my concerns are less for myself and more for those more vulnerable because of their lower profile. Like the man arrested in Oxford for calling a police horse gay. Or the teenager arrested for calling the Church of Scientology a cult. Or the café owner arrested for displaying passages from the bible on a TV screen.
    When I heard of some of these more ludicrous offences and charges, I remembered that I had been here before in a fictional context. I once did a show called Not the Nine O’Clock News, so years ago, and we did a sketch where Griff Rhys-Jones played Constable Savage, a manifestly racist police officer to whom I, as his station commander, is giving a dressing down for arresting a black man on a whole string of ridiculous, trumped up and ludicrous charges. The charges for which Constable Savage arrested Mr. Winston Kodogo of 55 Mercer Road were these:
    ‘Walking on the cracks in the pavement’
    ‘Walking in a loud shirt in a built up area during the hours of darkness’ and one of my favourites ‘Walking around all over the place’
    He was also arrested for ‘Urinating in a public convenience’ and ‘Looking at me in a funny way’.
    Who would have thought that we would end up with a law that would allow life to imitate art so exactly. I read somewhere, a defender of the status quo claiming that the fact that the gay horse case was dropped after the arrested man refused to pay – to pay the fine and that the Scientology case was also dropped at some point during the court process was proof that the law was working well, ignoring the fact that the only reason those cases were dropped was because of the publicity that they had attracted. The Police sensed that ridicule was just around the corner and withdrew their actions.
    But what about the thousands of other cases that did not enjoy the oxygen of publicity? That weren’t quite ludicrous enough to attract media attention? Even for those actions that were withdrawn, people were arrested, questioned, taken to court and then released. You know, that isn’t a law working properly: that is censoriousness of the most intimidating kind, guaranteed to have as Lord Dear says a ‘chilling effect’ on free expression and free protest.
    Parliament’s Joint committee on Human Rights summarized as you may know, this whole issue well by saying ‘While arresting a protestor for using ‘threatening or abusive’ speech may, depending on the circumstances, be a proportionate response, we do not think that language or behaviour that is merely ‘insulting’ should ever be criminalized in this way’. The clear problem with the outlawing of insult is that too many things can be interpreted as such. Criticism is easily construed as insult by certain parties. Ridicule is easily construed as insult. Sarcasm, unfavourable comparison, merely stating an alternative point of view to the orthodoxy can be interpreted as insult. And because so many things can be interpreted as insult, it is hardly surprising that so many things have been, as the examples I talked about earlier show.
    Although the law under discussion has been on the statute book for over 25 years, it is indicative of a culture that has taken hold of the programmes of successive governments that, with the reasonable and well-intended ambition to contain obnoxious elements in society, has created a society of an extraordinarily authoritarian and controlling nature. That is what you might call The New Intolerance, a new but intense desire to gag uncomfortable voices of dissent. ‘I am not intolerant’, say many people; say many softly spoken, highly-educated, liberal-minded people: ‘I am only intolerant of intolerance’. And people tend to nod sagely and say ‘Oh, Wise words, wise words’ and yet if you think about this supposedly inarguable statement for longer than five seconds, you realize that all it is advocating is the replacement of one kind of intolerance with another. Which to me doesn’t represent any kind of progress at all. Underlying prejudices, injustices or resentments are not addressed by arresting people: they are addressed by the issues being aired, argued and dealt with preferably outside the legal process. For me, the best way to increase society’s resistance to insulting or offensive speech is to allow a lot more of it. As with childhood diseases, you can better resist those germs to which you have been exposed.
    We need to build our immunity to taking offence, so that we can deal with the issues that perfectly justified criticism can raise. Our priority should be to deal with the message, not the messenger. As President Obama said in an address to the United Nations a month or so ago: ‘…laudable efforts to restrict speech can become a tool to silence critics, or oppress minorities. The strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression, it is more speech’ and that is the essence of my thesis; more speech. If we want a robust society, we need more robust dialogue and that must include the right to insult or to offend. As – even if as Lord dear says, the freedom to be inoffensive is no freedom at all.
    [Rowan Atkinson] Source: LYBIO.net
    The repeal of this clause will be only a small step, but it will I hope be a critical one in what should be a longer term project to pause and slowly rewind a creeping culture of censoriousness. It is a small skirmish in the battle, in my opinion, to deal with what Sir Salman Rushdie refers to as the Outrage Industry: self-appointed arbiters of the public good, encouraging media-stoked outrage, to which the police feel under terrible pressure to react. A newspaper rings up Scotland Yard: someone has said something slightly insulting on Twitter about someone who we think a national treasure: what are you going to do about it? And the police panic and they scrabble around and then grasp the most inappropriate lifeline of Section 5 of the Public Order Act: that thing where they can arrest anybody for saying anything that might be construed by anybody else as insulting. They don’t need a complainant, or a real victim: they need only to make the judgment that somebody could have been offended if they had heard or read what has been said. The most ludicrous degree of latitude. The storms that surround Twitter and Facebook comment have raised some fascinating issues about free speech. Which we haven’t really yet come to terms with. Firstly, that we all have to take responsibility for what we say, which is not a bad lesson to learn. And secondly, we’ve learnt how appallingly prickly and intolerant society has become of even the mildest adverse comment.
    The law should not be aiding and abetting this new intolerance. Free speech can only suffer if the law prevents us from dealing with its consequences. I offer you my wholehearted support to the Reform Section 5 campaign. Thank you very much.
    Rowan Atkinson At Reform Section 5 Parliamentary Reception. The best way to increase society’s resistance to insulting or offensive speech is to allow a lot more of it. Complete Full Transcript, Dialogue, Remarks, Saying, Quotes, Words And Text.
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    NOTICE this policy update, A discussion will be created in the Founders Hall to determine some details and address concerns and voluntary compliance to not circumvent the filter.

    Dirty words I don't prevent you from using vulgar terms however I won't protect you from the repercussions from others for using them. I would prefer that you reserve strong words to maintain the effectiveness when they are appropriate to express what you feel. reference to a politically incorrect word is ok but repeated use of it may show you in a light that is not healthy for the whole and cause you to be censored. As we have grown to attract a broader age group of family members CrackerCoast would like to Provide a friendlier Public Profile and hence forth use a public skin that uses a word replacement tool that will alter some offensive words and substitute them with a "humorous Family Friendly alternative. This is in development and confirmed members will have the option of using a uncensored skin that will show the original text.
    This is a significant amount of work and will be implemented on the fly please bear with me as we move into the future.
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    hmmm it's in progress !
    Great Idea though!
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    Yes, but even with a 'FILTER' there will have to be rules pertaining to submission of photos/pictures/cartoons containing 'STRONG' words in this case then. Am I correct?

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    ROOT: Thanx so much for your attention in keeping this a pleasant place to be. I applaud your efforts!
    "...of no more satisfying conceit than the discovery of such hidden depths of character in one's own child..." - From Survive the Savage Sea
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardMaster View Post
    Yes, but even with a 'FILTER' there will have to be rules pertaining to submission of photos/pictures/cartoons containing 'STRONG' words in this case then. Am I correct?
    We are not going to attempt to create a certified sanitary community That is impossible
    As I made clear above we use fuzzy rules that lean toward tolerance and cooperation to achieve a mutual goal of a healthy robust forum with liberty and the good sense to use it responsibly so all can enjoy. Hard rule create litigious and adversarial atmosphere of circumvention.

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ID:	6703Soft rules create an atmosphere were Moderation can be seen as guidance and not punitive while reserving the ability of the administration to act swiftly and without excessive focus on unpleasantness when someone sets out to grandstand and burden the community with a personal agenda that is contrary to interest of the whole or when we have rustlers who are intent on getting someones goat. The Cracker tree has been shook a few times and most of our herd is pretty darn agile but we have lost a few that were not as firmly footed But we don't make our own a scapegoat.

    I am maintaining the original gist, laid out above as we mature and find that the health and growth of Crackercoast is impaired by the appearance of some words that shouldn't be used in polite company and is counter to the atmosphere we wish to represent.

    We already have a community will that has kept this to a minimum concern, the freedom to use strong words has not resulted in an excessive use of them. But on the occasion that some do appear they can be shocking to people and curious children who's parents choose to protect and prolong their innocence.
    My best friend has renewed my faith that hope still exist for a nostalgic values generation and I feel the need to provide an atmosphere were that is encouraged.

    While we will attempt to move mature audience photos to the members only area we will not be creating hard lines that may easily trip up someone who is not thinking. I had one of my own post moved to the adult forum recently because I hadn't appreciated how it might look from another perspective. That tolerance is contingent on the good faith of the individual and anyone who appears to purposely and repeatably attempt to violate the gist of the policy to disturb the peace, will be dealt with in a creative manner.

    We have played with a word replacement tool in another forum software I am developing as an extension to the Crackercoast forum and I had already decided it was going to be used on that site. Unfortunately vb isn't quite as easy to accomplish this and will be a bit more complicated to implement as I would like.

    If all goes well I may be able to offer three levels of censorship with the option to view the unaltered version. Regardless If I can not make this work as envisioned we will be using the tools we do have to clean up the most offensive terms for the sake of four little angels.
    I can sum it up by repeating
    Vigorous debate criticism an Jovial banter is encouraged here, But there is no room for Hate , bullying and just being downright mean Belligerent or inflammatory. If you can't leave that outside experience shows this community will shun you.
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    Yeh, that's what I thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by KathyInAR View Post
    ROOT: Thanx so much for your attention in keeping this a pleasant place to be. I applaud your efforts!
    Thank you for your patience and faith as I stumble through this journey and struggle with my own biases.
    Thank you for looking past my faults and seeking the gold.
    When I sought to lead us to this promised land of liberty, it all seemed so much easier.however evidenced by my hair going from Dark brown to near white in just five years testifies to the contrary .
    I have had some precarious moments and at times felt like pulling my hair out, but those of you that have stood the rough seas give us the momentum to carry through in the face of challenges from the factions who felt betrayed when I took a stand against the ill winds I perceived blowing 6 years ago and the greater threat of the Huge assets a corporation like Facebook uses top leverage and exploit its users. The difficult choices I had to make to be consistent and fair to all when even close friends were blinded from seeing how they predisposed themselves to intolerance. In order to live with myself I choose to seek the best of peoples nature and will exhaust all means to empathise and defend the minority's liberty in the face of an oppressive majority even when I disagree and do not condone it.

    I will relish the time We can see a return of participation by those who were a victim of my frustrations and perhaps unorthodox and reactionary moments when I lost my cool, that left them feeling hurt,and me feeling sad for the loss. It was never my intention to hurt anyone's feelings by my blunt nature, I want to be everyone's friend but I won't be anyone's chump.

    My hope is that some of those old friends can now see how off course we had strayed and forgive me for my mistakes as I do the trespasses we have had to bare from the misunderstood and victims of their own demons and ultimatums over the years. We shouldn't forget were we have been , but we can't get tripped up looking over our shoulder to the past while we march forward to a better community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KathyInAR View Post
    ROOT: Thanx so much for your attention in keeping this a pleasant place to be. I applaud your efforts!
    I think since we come from all walks of life, backgrounds, age groups, lifestyles,etc. - and this is a very public forum, then there is some need to filter out the most offensive language. I know you can block posters that use that language, yet they still are very good posters otherwise. If this is to be a family friendly site, then there are words that we might use face to face with the people that we associate with - family, friends, but here in this diverse "cracker family" these words are not so acceptable - you'd rather not see them here. A generation or two back the words just weren't used by many people. Times have changed certainly - yet we all have different standards. Anyway, thumbs up to Root for trying to keep everybody happy,
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    Root, you wouldn't block someone just for using foul language would you?

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    Thank you Kay
    I am still working on the filters, and have not yet determined which is the better method , the current method doesn't work for the mobile templates and is also tedious to set up.
    You would not believe the size of the list I have compiled of potentially offensive words There are are not enough replacements to cover them all. Just for the fun of it I have thought about adding the entire 2600 potentially offensive phrases to one level of filter
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    Nothing has inspired this post except that I found that I had similar sentiments about this forum as Bishop does about his Castle. As he so aptly says in this sign way up at the top on a very Scary perch inside the angle Iron Sphere. The merged photos cut out the middle of the sign so here is the whole thing.
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