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    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The head of the U.S. spy agency that eavesdrops on electronic communications overseas sought on Monday to reassure Americans that the National Security Agency would not read their personal email if a new cybersecurity law was enacted to allow private companies to share information with the government.

    The House of Representatives in April approved a bill that would allow the government and companies to share information about hacking. But the White House and key Senate Democrats back a broader approach.

    Critics have raised privacy concerns about the sharing of such information, concerned it would allow the National Security Agency, which also protects government computer networks, to collect data on American communications, which is generally prohibited by law.

    "The reality is we can do protection of civil liberties and privacy and cybersecurity as a nation," General Keith Alexander said in a speech at the American Enterprise Institute.

    But to help protect the private sector, he said it was important that the intelligence agency be able to inform them about the type of malicious software and other cyber intrusions it is seeing and hear from companies about what they see breaching the protective measures on their computer networks.

    "It doesn't require the government to read their mail or your mail to do that. It requires them, the Internet service provider or that company, to tell us that that type of event is going on at this time. And it has to be at network speed if you're going to stop it," Alexander said.

    He said the information the government was seeking was the Internet address where an email containing malicious software originated and where it traveled to, not the content of the email.

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    Alexander said it was important to write the legislation now rather than waiting until there is a crisis, which could cause the government to overreact and go too far.

    "When something bad happens, we're going to jump way over here where we don't want to be," he said. "So while we have the time, the patience and the understanding, let's get this right. Let's do it now."

    The U.S. government has blamed hackers from China for breaking into U.S. company computers and stealing proprietary information. Internet security firms say billions of dollars worth of intellectual property has been stolen.

    "In my opinion, it's the greatest transfer of wealth in history," Alexander said.

    But the U.S. government is also concerned about the possibility of a cyber attack from adversaries on critical infrastructure such as the power grid or transportation systems.

    Alexander said so far a threat from al Qaeda in the cyber sphere had not materialized.

    "I don't personally believe they're a viable threat in that realm right now," said Alexander, who is also head of U.S. Cyber Command, the military combatant command responsible for activities in cyberspace.

    But the tools to become a threat are available publicly "to anybody who has access to the web and who is semi-literate," Alexander said. "So I am concerned that while I don't see it today, that they could very quickly get to that."

    Alexander said the NSA's vast new data center under construction at Camp Williams, Utah, does not "hold data on U.S. citizens," but he declined to go into further detail about the 240-acre facility, which will have 100,000 square feet of computer space when completed next year.

    He sought to dispel concerns that the National Security Agency was storing Americans' emails.

    "We don't do that," he said, noting that the volume of U.S. emails was about 30 trillion a year or more. He called speculation that somehow this information would be stored at the Utah data center "baloney."

    "We need the American people to know that is not true," Alexander said.

    Officials say the mission of the data center is to offer technical assistance to the Department of Homeland Security, providing intelligence and warning about cyber threats and to carry out cybersecurity operations.

    They also say it is part of expanding efforts to defend Pentagon computer systems from cyber attack.

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    Well thats that!

    If the NSA and the Dept. of Homeland Security say they arent spying on us then it must be true!
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    yeah right We won't read it
    there is no proof whatsoever that the first word of it is truthful. Not one "fact" is has been corroborated

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    Well, if they read mine they will be bored silly.
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    Hell I hope they do read mine!
    Maybe then they will decide to really do something about SPAM!
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    Do they even sell that any more ? I want some

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    Hawaii is the place to go. They love spam.
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    I like Spam very much , they have a new bacon flavor spam that is really yummy It is one of our Hurricane supply meats of choice
    there is no proof whatsoever that the first word of it is truthful. Not one "fact" is has been corroborated
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    I am sure this cyber spy thing is nothing new. Just something we are finally be told about. I remember when cell phone forst came out. we could pick them up on radio staions if we weren't to far away. We had fun with that.

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    The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) has claimed that agents do not need warrants to read people's emails, text messages and other private electronic communications, according to internal agency documents.
    The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which obtained the documents through a Freedom of Information Act request, released the information on Wednesday.



    In a 2009 handbook, the IRS said the Fourth Amendment does not protect emails because Internet users "do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in such communications." A 2010 presentation by the IRS Office of General Counsel reiterated the policy.







    Under the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA) of 1986, government officials only need a subpoena, issued without a judge's approval, to read emails that have been opened or that are more than 180 days old.
    Privacy groups such as the ACLU argue that the Fourth Amendment provides greater privacy protections than the ECPA, and that officials should need a warrant to access all emails and other private messages.
    Traditionally, the courts have ruled that people have limited privacy rights over information they share with third parties. Some law enforcement groups have argued that this means they only need a subpoena to compel email providers, Internet service companies and others to turn over their customers' sensitive content.
    But in 2010, a federal appeals court ruled that police violated a man's constitutional rights when they read his emails without a warrant.




    Despite the court decision, U.S. v. Warshak, the IRS kept its email search policy unchanged in a March 2011 update to its employee manual, according to the ACLU.
    In an October 2011 memo obtained by the ACLU, an IRS attorney explained that the Warshak decision only applies in the Sixth Circuit, which covers Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio and Tennessee.
    But the attorney noted that if a service provider fought the search request, it would likely result in "protracted litigation," meaning that any leads from the emails would be "stale" if the IRS ever obtained them.
    The IRS did not respond to a request to comment.
    The ACLU also submitted requests for documents from the FBI and the Justice Department on their policies for emails searches, but has not received responses yet.
    Lawmakers in both chambers are working on legislation that would update the ECPA to require a warrant for emails and other private online messages.
    At a hearing last month, Elana Tyrangiel, the acting assistant attorney general for the Justice Department's Office of Legal Policy, agreed that there is "no principled basis" for treating emails differently depending on how old they are.


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    What bullshit, I just wonder what information that would concern the IRS would be in an Email.
    there is no proof whatsoever that the first word of it is truthful. Not one "fact" is has been corroborated

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    You'd be surprised what stupid people write.
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    I guess I really shouldn't be surprised.
    there is no proof whatsoever that the first word of it is truthful. Not one "fact" is has been corroborated

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    ALL phone calls in the US are recorded and accessible to the government, claims former FBI agent




    A former FBI counterterrorism agent has hinted at a vast and intrusive surveillance network used by the U.S. government to monitor its own citizens.

    Tim Clemente admitted as much when he appeared on CNN Wednesday night.

    Discussing the Boston Marathon attack and past telephone conversations of Katherine Russell and her now deceased husband, suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, Clemente said that those conversations would be available to investigators.


    A former FBI agent admitted that U.S. citizens are under constant surveillance and that all communications are recorded

    Clemente discussed the issue in this exchange with host Erin Burnett, as recorded by the CNN transcript.

    BURNETT: ' Tim, is there any way, obviously, there is a voice mail they can try to get the phone companies to give that up at this point. It's not a voice mail. It's just a conversation. There's no way they actually can find out what happened, right, unless she tells them?'
    CLEMENTE: 'No, there is a way. We certainly have ways in national security investigations to find out exactly what was said in that conversation. It's not necessarily something that the FBI is going to want to present in court, but it may help lead the investigation and/or lead to questioning of her. We certainly can find that out.'
    BURNETT: 'So they can actually get that? People are saying, look, that is incredible.'
    CLEMENTE: 'No, welcome to America. All of that stuff is being captured as we speak whether we know it or like it or not.'

    Secretive agencies are likely recording all digital communications, from phone calls to emails to chat records

    He reiterated those statements again on CNN on Thursday night, adding that 'all digital communications in the past' are recorded and saved.
    He stressed that no digital communication was secure.



    The Guardian noted that such practices have been hinted at before, such as when AT&T engineer Mark Klein revealed that the company had helped build a special network for the National Security Agency to have total access to all data about telephone calls.

    And Democratic Senators Ron Wyden and Mark Udall have said for years that the public would be 'stunned' to learn the lengths its government went to to monitor them.

    In a poll, some Americans felt that they were losing civil liberties in the war on terrorism

    The Total Information Awareness program has been slowly instituted in the years following the 9/11 terrorist attacks with little controversy.

    However the actual government practices have been kept secret.
    Some new polls suggest that Americans have become increasingly concerned that they are giving up civil liberties to the war on terrorism.


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    Default Re: Former FBI :ALL phone calls in the US are recorded and accessible to the government

    I hope they find mine to be enlightening and entertaining.
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    Default Re: Former FBI :ALL phone calls in the US are recorded and accessible to the government

    Sadly this is no surprise at all ! It has been a point in spy fiction for many years. The NAS had like the Mp3 hoarder took the mindset of sownloading everything it can get ist hands on and not just selective parts that it would use. Of course it can not be used in court but it is still an invasion of privacy rife with abuse potential.
    there is no proof whatsoever that the first word of it is truthful. Not one "fact" is has been corroborated

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    Default Sen. Paul Introduces Fourth Amendment Preservation and Protection Act of 2013

    WASHINGTON, D.C. - Sen. Rand Paul today introduced the Fourth Amendment Preservation and Protection Act of 2013, which would extend Fourth Amendment guarantees to electronic communications and requires specific warrants granted by judges in order to obtain this information. 'In today's high-tech world, we must ensure that all forms of communication are protected. Yet government has eroded protecting the Fourth Amendment over the past few decades, especially when applied to electronic communications and third party providers,' Sen. Paul said. 'Congress has passed a variety of laws that decimate our Fourth Amendment protections. In effect, it means that Americans can only count on Fourth Amendment protections if they don't use e-mail, cell phones, the Internet, credit cards, libraries, banks, or other forms of modern finance and communications.' 'Basic constitutional rights should not be invalidated by carrying out basic, day-to-day functions in a technologically advanced world and this bill will provide much needed clarity and reassert Fourth Amendment protections for records held by third parties.' ###

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    Default NSA's Verizon surveillance: how the White House tramples our constitution

    In December 2007, then-Senator Barack Obama joined then-Senator Chris Dodd in threatening to filibuster the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (Fisa).
    Senator Obama opposed provisions granting retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies that shared private client information with the government.
    His office released a statement:'Granting such immunity undermines the constitutional protections Americans trust the Congress to protect.
    Senator Obama supports a filibuster of this bill ...'

    Senator Obama was right. Had I been in the Senate, I would've voted with him. I've even filibustered myself over civil liberties issues I believe are important.
    Later, supporting an amendment that he believed repealed retroactive immunity from Fisa,
    Senator Obama said in February 2008:'We can give our intelligence and law enforcement community the powers they need to track down and take out terrorists without undermining our commitment to the rule of law, or our basic rights and liberties.
    'Senator Obama in 2007 was rightly concerned that telecommunications companies might get away with sharing clients' private information without legal scrutiny.

    This week, we learned that the president's National Security Agency compelled Verizon to hand over all of its client data records.
    Senator Obama in 2008 wanted to track potential terrorist activity 'without undermining our commitment to the rule of law, or our basic rights and liberties'.
    Today, President Obama undermines the rule of law, basic rights and core liberties - all in the name of tracking terrorists.

    There is always a balance between security and liberty and the American tradition has long been to err on the side of liberty. America's founders feared a government powerful enough to commit unreasonable searches and seizures and crafted a constitution designed to protect citizens' privacy.

    Under this administration, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) has targeted political dissidents, the Department of Justice has seized reporters' phone records, and now we've learned the NSA seized an unlimited amount of Verizon's client data. Just when you think it can't get any worse under this president, it does.

    This is an all-out assault on the constitution. These actions are unacceptable under any president, Democrat or Republican.I can remember well a Senator Obama who joined the Democratic chorus against the warrantless wiretapping of the Bush administration.
    Now, that chorus has gone mute. The Guardian's Glenn Greenwald has noted what he sees as 'a defining attribute of the Obama legacy: the transformation of what was until recently a symbol of rightwing radicalism - warrantless eavesdropping - into meekly accepted bipartisan consensus.'Not every Republican or Democrat is part of that consensus.

    When the Senate rushed through a last-minute extension of the Fisa Amendments Act over the holidays late last year, Senator Mike Lee (Republican, Utah) and I offered an amendment requiring stronger protections on business records that would've prohibited precisely the kind of data-mining the Verizon case has revealed.

    Senator Ron Wyden (Democrat, Oregon) introduced an amendment to require estimates from intelligence agencies of how many Americans were being surveilled. Both these measures were voted down.

    Just last month, I introduced the Fourth Amendment Preservation and Protection Act, which if enacted would've protected Americans from exactly the kind of abuses we've seen recently. It was also voted down.On Thursday, I announced my Fourth Amendment Restoration Act of 2013, which ensures that no government agency can search the phone records of Americans without a warrant based on probable cause. We shall see how many join me in supporting a part of the Bill of Rights that everyone in Congress already took an oath to uphold.If the president and Congress would simply obey the fourth amendment, this new shocking revelation that the government is now spying on citizens' phone data en masse would never have happened. That I have to keep reintroducing the fourth amendment - and that a majority of senators keep voting against it - is a good reflection of the arrogance that dominates Washington.During my filibuster, I quoted Glenn Greenwald, who wrote:'There is a theoretical framework being built that posits that the US government has unlimited power.

    When it comes to any kind of threats it perceives, it makes the judgment to take whatever action against them that it warrants without any constraints or limitations of any kind.'If the seizure and surveillance of Americans' phone records - across the board and with little to no discrimination - is now considered a legitimate security precaution, there is literally no protection of any kind guaranteed anymore to American citizens. In their actions, more outrageous and numerous by the day, this administration continues to treat the US constitution as a dead letter.

    Senator Obama said of President Bush and Fisa in 2008:'We must reaffirm that no one in this country is above the law.'No one in America should be above the law. Including this president.

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    Amendment Restoration Act of 2013
    Sen. Rand Paul today announced he will introduce the Fourth Amendment Restoration Act of 2013, which ensures the Constitutional protections of the Fourth Amendment are not violated by any government entity.
    "The revelation that the NSA has secretly seized the call records of millions of Americans, without probable cause, represents an outrageous abuse of power and a violation of the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution. I have long argued that Congress must do more to restrict the Executive's expansive law enforcement powers to seize private records of law-abiding Americans that are held by a third-party," Sen. Paul said. "When the Senate rushed through a last-minute extension of the FISA Amendments Act late last year, I insisted on a vote on my amendment (SA 3436) to require stronger protections on business records and prohibiting the kind of data-mining this case has revealed. Just last month, I introduced S.1037, the Fourth Amendment Preservation and Protection Act, which would provide exactly the kind of protections that, if enacted, could have prevented these abuses and stopped these increasingly frequent violations of every American's constitutional rights.
    "The bill restores our Constitutional rights and declares that the Fourth Amendment shall not be construed to allow any agency of the United States government to search the phone records of Americans without a warrant based on probable cause."

    Click HERE to view the text of this legislation.

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    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Attorney General Eric Holder appears to have little choice but to launch a new round of investigations into media leaks, the very issue that consumed him for the last month and led to renewed calls for his resignation.
    Holder's Justice Department was called upon to identify the leaker of sensitive information when on Saturday the super-secret National Security Agency filed a report requesting a criminal investigation.
    U.S. officials said an investigation will undoubtedly try to uncover the leaker who gave a secret court order to Britain's Guardian newspaper, as well as whoever gave a document describing surveillance methods to both the Guardian and the Washington Post.
    U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper on Saturday blamed the outlets for what he called "reckless disclosures" of classified spy agency material.
    The test for Holder comes as he deals with fierce bipartisan criticism for his agency's tactics in pursuing media records in other leak investigations. President Barack Obama ordered him last month to review Justice Department procedures for handling media cases, leading Holder to conduct a series of private meetings with news executives and lawyers.
    Those sessions focused on two Justice Department leak inquiries that brought an outcry after media records were seized without advance notice and one news reporter was labeled a criminal co-conspirator in documents seeking his records.
    Clapper on Saturday aggressively defended secret U.S. data collection, blasting the Guardian and the Post for disclosing the highly classified spy agency project code-named PRISM.
    A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment.
    "It will be an interesting chance to see if the Justice Department has learned anything," said Gregg Leslie, legal defense director for the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, a journalists' advocacy group.
    Even after the Guardian unveiled its exclusive story on the court order, Holder was reassuring news outlets on Thursday that he would not prosecute working reporters for doing their jobs.
    But the publication of NSA materials - and Clapper's strong condemnation of it - puts Holder back in the position of having to evaluate whether the leaks compromised valuable sources of information used to protect the public.
    "I don't see how they couldn't pursue leak investigations in the case of the disclosures this week," said Carrie Cordero, a former Justice Department national security lawyer.
    POLITICAL INSULATION
    Cordero, now the director of national security studies at Georgetown University Law Center, said it would be unthinkable for prosecutors to bow to recent media criticism.
    "The Justice Department is by tradition supposed to be politically insulated when it's conducting an investigation, and I don't see any reason why that would change now - as unpopular as it might be," she said.
    Holder's political standing has been on a slow decline. On Friday Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia became the highest-profile Democrat to suggest he should step down.
    Manchin told Bloomberg TV that even if a public official like Holder has good intentions, "if they're not being effective and they're not being received, how effective is it and how good is it for the country?"
    White House senior adviser Valerie Jarrett backed Holder in a separate interview on Thursday, telling The Huffington Post that Holder "will be in his position for quite a while."
    Chris Harper, a journalism professor at Temple University, said Holder might need to consider handing off the leak investigations.
    "It is the fox guarding the chicken house. It's time to start considering special prosecutors in these cases," Harper said.
    Holder in June 2012 handed off two leak probes to the chief federal prosecutors in Washington, D.C., and Maryland, although both prosecutors still answer to either Holder or his politically appointed deputy, James Cole.
    CHANGES SOUGHT
    One change in Justice Department procedure sought by media outlets is an opportunity to contest in advance any demand for records such as telephone call lists. The Associated Press reported on May 13 that the Justice Department seized some of its phone records without giving the news agency a chance to object beforehand.
    Prosecutors are trying to find out who told the AP about a foiled plot to bomb an airliner over U.S. soil.
    Journalists also are pressing that they not be labeled as possible criminals, as when an FBI agent in a search warrant affidavit used the term co-conspirator to describe Fox News reporter James Rosen. Rosen, who was not prosecuted, had reported secret views of U.S. intelligence officials about North Korea.
    Holder as recently as Friday continued to express displeasure at the methods his prosecutors used to pursue records from Fox News and the Associated Press, said Leslie, who with other press advocates met Holder.
    "He seemed to sincerely believe that those incidents were handled in a way that he didn't like," Leslie said.
    Glenn Greenwald, the lead author of the Guardian's surveillance stories, told the New York Times that he expects a U.S. investigation and upgraded the security measures on his computer in Brazil, where he lives, as a precaution.
    Greenwald added on Twitter, "Dear DOJ: your bullying tactics will scare some sources, but they embolden others."

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    With all the questionable things this guy has had happen with him and the people in his office--- How is he still holding office? Sure doesn't help with the trust factor in the Government!

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