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    Default Planned obsolescence the real green crime

    I am sick of it. All this crap about saving the earth coming from one side of the mouth and consumerism from the other.
    Why can't we create laws that forbids companies from raping the planet by engineering failure into products . Its not a fantasy economic growth demands the waste of resources and it is taught in design schools and has been a part of the business model since the 20s when light bulbs were reduced to 1000 hrs and continues today with printers. It pisses me off that this is tolerated and institutionalized .

    Ever try to get a replacement part for some item in the household, like a refrigerator or washing machine only to find the part isn't made anymore? It's called planned obsolescence, something producers plan for to keep individuals getting more stuff. The idea is to get people to throw the old one away and just buy a new one, thereby putting more money in corporate pockets. The culture of planned obsolescence is one of the great threats to our environment today

    And we cooperate willingly
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    Printer crap out? Hope your day gets better.

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    Printer crap out? Hope your day gets better.
    Been there done that. Bought a laser for b&w . Best money ever spent. Looking forward to getting a color some day. I have had it with ink jet . Tried to be conservative with ink and after a year and maybe two photos was required to spend another 70.00 on new ink.
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    Default Quality will continue to decline as long as consumers are willing to accept shoddy shit

    Durable goods should be manufactured by companies that aim to produce products that deliver utility and service over time.
    Refrigerators should come with warranties that give 20 years for the Compressor like they used to.
    Cell Phones should be fully serviceable and guaranteed longer than the contract that they are attached too.
    Companies use to work hard to build up a reputation. Now These companies cultivate brand loyalty among consumers with flashy neon Crap for the purpose of keeping sales steady. Planned obsolescence; Energy efficient My ass; Garbage Dump filling Natural resource consuming Pollution making Green lies !!
    there is no proof whatsoever that the first word of it is truthful. Not one "fact" is has been corroborated
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    Why Does a 10 pound bag of sugar cost more than two 5 pound bags?
    there is no proof whatsoever that the first word of it is truthful. Not one "fact" is has been corroborated
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    That is a good question! I do not understand the reasoning but this occurs with several other products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROOT View Post
    Why Does a 10 pound bag of sugar cost more than two 5 pound bags?
    I just bought 100 pounds of sugar and 200 pounds of salt.

    Buying in the bulk saves the cash!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpy McDugal View Post
    I just bought 100 pounds of sugar and 200 pounds of salt.

    Buying in the bulk saves the cash!
    Are you feeding diabetes and high blood pressure diseases?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpy McDugal View Post
    I just bought 100 pounds of sugar and 200 pounds of salt.

    Buying in the bulk saves the cash!
    How much did you pay ?
    When I looked into bulk beans it was more expensive
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    I have always wondered why things like Big yellow flashlights and cordless drill batteries cost more than the tool they fit? I bought a DeWalt drill. It came with a charger and two batteries and cost me $89 two years ago. Just went to buy a single battery for it and it would cost me $75. A new drill with two batteries and a charger today costs about $90. So for $15 more I get all new. The old drill is like new so then I would have two drills and three batteries. Go figure, right?
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    Default Re: Quality will continue to decline as long as consumers are willing to accept shoddy s

    Sugar was 22 cents/lb and the salt was 6 cents/lb

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    What does one do with 200 lbs of salt? A regular box of salt last me years.
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    I've learned to check the unit prices on bulk items. Sometimes bulk isn't always better!
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    22 cents isn't bad,buts its not natural the futures price is 16.34 today. I think the price for the 5# was 2.67 and 10# 5.87 .
    Now if we were ethanol makers we could get a helping hand from the USDA

    The U.S. Department of Agriculture bought sugar from a domestic processor and sold it to an ethanol producer at a loss of $2.7 million, the latest move by the agency to boost prices and stave off defaults on federal loans.

    The USDA's purchase of 7,118 short tons of refined beet sugar this past week was far less than the nearly 100,000 tons that processors had offered to the agency, indicating little demand from ethanol makers. The agency only purchased sugar for which it had a ready buyer.



    This was the first use of a sugar-to-ethanol program that was outlined in the 2008 Farm Bill. It requires the USDA to buy the sweetener and sell it to domestic ethanol producers if the agency believes U.S. sugar processors might default on their operating loans.



    The USDA paid about $3.6 million for the sugar, which it purchased from Western Sugar Cooperative, a sugar-beet processor based in Denver, according to a notice posted on the agency's website Friday.
    Front Range Energy LLC, a Windsor, Colo.-based ethanol maker, paid $900,000 for the sugar, according to the USDA notice.


    Representatives from Western Sugar Cooperative and Front Range Energy couldn't be reached for comment.

    The USDA said on its website that the tender "drew some interest," but that "transportation, volume of sugar feedstock and other concerns appear to have limited bioenergy company participation."

    By buying the sugar, the USDA aims to boost prices to a level where sugar processors will be able to repay $298 million in outstanding federal loans that come due at the end of August and September.

    If sugar processors default, they would repay the government with tons of the sweetener instead of cash.


    During the fiscal year ending in October, the government has lent $1.1 billion to sugar processors, secured with 2.6 million tons of the sweetener. As of Friday, 27% of those loans remained outstanding.

    "I think that barring a miracle, there'll be forfeitures over the weekend," said Frank Jenkins, president of Jenkins Sugar Group, a Wilton, Conn.-based sugar brokerage.

    Prices for the sweetener on ICE have fallen 24% over the past year, as good weather and a surge in Mexican imports created a large oversupply on the domestic market.
    The USDA estimates that processors will forfeit sugar if domestic sugar prices are below 20.9 cents a pound.

    On Wednesday, domestic sugar for November delivery, the front-month contract on the ICE Futures U.S. exchange, settled above that level for the first time since March 27. On Friday, domestic sugar prices ended 0.1%, or 0.02 cent, lower at 21.23 cents a pound.


    Market participants say the government likely needs to remove an additional 300,000 tons to 500,000 tons of sugar from the market before the end of the season in October to prevent any loan defaults.
    Traders and analysts expect the USDA to make another round of sugar purchases in September, before the rest of the loans come due.

    The USDA said it expected "greater participation" in the sugar-to-ethanol program in the future, as it worked to address the concerns of ethanol makers.

    U.S. sugar processors repaid all of the federal loans that came due at the end of July. The USDA is expected to announce Tuesday whether sugar processors defaulted on any of the $45.3 million in outstanding loans that were coming due at the end of August.


    This past week's purchase, the USDA's third intervention in the market this year, is on top of $50.7 million that the government already spent buying sugar this summer.

    The U.S. sugar program, of which the sugar-to-ethanol program is a part, is a complex collection of price supports, marketing allotments and import restrictions that has roots in the 1934 Sugar Act. It is designed to operate at no cost to taxpayers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROOT View Post
    22 cents isn't bad,buts its not natural the futures price is 16.34 today. I think the price for the 5# was 2.67 and 10# 5.87 .
    Now if we were ethanol makers we could get a helping hand from the USDA

    The U.S. Department of Agriculture bought sugar from a domestic processor and sold it to an ethanol producer at a loss of $2.7 million, the latest move by the agency to boost prices and stave off defaults on federal loans.

    The USDA's purchase of 7,118 short tons of refined beet sugar this past week was far less than the nearly 100,000 tons that processors had offered to the agency, indicating little demand from ethanol makers. The agency only purchased sugar for which it had a ready buyer.



    This was the first use of a sugar-to-ethanol program that was outlined in the 2008 Farm Bill. It requires the USDA to buy the sweetener and sell it to domestic ethanol producers if the agency believes U.S. sugar processors might default on their operating loans.



    The USDA paid about $3.6 million for the sugar, which it purchased from Western Sugar Cooperative, a sugar-beet processor based in Denver, according to a notice posted on the agency's website Friday.
    Front Range Energy LLC, a Windsor, Colo.-based ethanol maker, paid $900,000 for the sugar, according to the USDA notice.


    Representatives from Western Sugar Cooperative and Front Range Energy couldn't be reached for comment.

    The USDA said on its website that the tender "drew some interest," but that "transportation, volume of sugar feedstock and other concerns appear to have limited bioenergy company participation."

    By buying the sugar, the USDA aims to boost prices to a level where sugar processors will be able to repay $298 million in outstanding federal loans that come due at the end of August and September.

    If sugar processors default, they would repay the government with tons of the sweetener instead of cash.


    During the fiscal year ending in October, the government has lent $1.1 billion to sugar processors, secured with 2.6 million tons of the sweetener. As of Friday, 27% of those loans remained outstanding.

    "I think that barring a miracle, there'll be forfeitures over the weekend," said Frank Jenkins, president of Jenkins Sugar Group, a Wilton, Conn.-based sugar brokerage.

    Prices for the sweetener on ICE have fallen 24% over the past year, as good weather and a surge in Mexican imports created a large oversupply on the domestic market.
    The USDA estimates that processors will forfeit sugar if domestic sugar prices are below 20.9 cents a pound.

    On Wednesday, domestic sugar for November delivery, the front-month contract on the ICE Futures U.S. exchange, settled above that level for the first time since March 27. On Friday, domestic sugar prices ended 0.1%, or 0.02 cent, lower at 21.23 cents a pound.


    Market participants say the government likely needs to remove an additional 300,000 tons to 500,000 tons of sugar from the market before the end of the season in October to prevent any loan defaults.
    Traders and analysts expect the USDA to make another round of sugar purchases in September, before the rest of the loans come due.

    The USDA said it expected "greater participation" in the sugar-to-ethanol program in the future, as it worked to address the concerns of ethanol makers.

    U.S. sugar processors repaid all of the federal loans that came due at the end of July. The USDA is expected to announce Tuesday whether sugar processors defaulted on any of the $45.3 million in outstanding loans that were coming due at the end of August.


    This past week's purchase, the USDA's third intervention in the market this year, is on top of $50.7 million that the government already spent buying sugar this summer.

    The U.S. sugar program, of which the sugar-to-ethanol program is a part, is a complex collection of price supports, marketing allotments and import restrictions that has roots in the 1934 Sugar Act. It is designed to operate at no cost to taxpayers.
    What is the link to this info.
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    I just bought 100 pounds of sugar and 200 pounds of salt.

    Buying in the bulk saves the cash!
    Wow.........It takes me years (5-10) to use 1 lb of table salt,.....Just what do you do with 200 lbs of salt (unless you were in NY) and used it to melt ice & snow?
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    Are these salt licks?
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    What is the link to this info.
    Sorry thought it was in there,
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    there is no proof whatsoever that the first word of it is truthful. Not one "fact" is has been corroborated

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    Quote Originally Posted by KathyInAR View Post
    What does one do with 200 lbs of salt? A regular box of salt last me years.
    Quote Originally Posted by R2D2 View Post
    Wow.........It takes me years (5-10) to use 1 lb of table salt,.....Just what do you do with 200 lbs of salt (unless you were in NY) and used it to melt ice & snow?
    And this is how the Art of Food Preservation becomes Lost.
    Salting is the preservation of food with dry edible salt. It is related to pickling (preparing food with brine, i.e. salty water). It is one of the oldest methods of preserving food, and two historically significant salt-cured foods are dried and salted cod (usually referred to as salt fish) and salt-cured meat. Vegetables such as runner beans and cabbage are also often preserved in this manner.

    Salting is used because most bacteria, fungi and other potentially pathogenic organisms cannot survive in a highly salty environment, due to the hypertonic nature of salt. Any living cell in such an environment will become dehydrated through osmosis and die or become temporarily inactivated.

    It was discovered in the 19th century that salt mixed with nitrites (saltpeter) would color meats red, rather than grey, and consumers at that time then strongly preferred the red-colored meat. "curing salt" or "pink salt." Is typically a combination of salt and sodium nitrite, with the pink color added to distinguish it from ordinary salt.
    there is no proof whatsoever that the first word of it is truthful. Not one "fact" is has been corroborated
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