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    DUBLIN – It often starts as a voice in the wilderness, but can swell into an entire nation's demand for truth. From Ireland to Germany, Europe's many victims of child abuse in the Roman Catholic church are finally breaking social taboos and confronting the clergy to face its demons.
    Ireland was the first in Europe to confront the church's worldwide custom of shielding pedophile priests from the law and public scandal. Now that legacy of suppressed childhood horror is being confronted in other parts of the Continent — nowhere more poignantly than in Germany, the homeland of Pope Benedict XVI.
    The recent spread of claims into the Netherlands, Austria and Italy has analysts and churchmen wondering how deep the scandal runs, which nation will be touched next, and whether a tide of lawsuits will force European dioceses to declare bankruptcy like their American cousins.
    "You have to presume that the cover-up of abuse exists everywhere, to one extent or another. A new case could appear in a new country tomorrow," said David Quinn, director of a Christian think tank, the Iona Institute, that seeks to promote family values in an Ireland increasingly cool to Catholicism.
    Quinn noted that stories of systemic physical, sexual and emotional abuse circulated privately in Irish society for decades, but only moved aboveground in the mid-1990s when former altar boy Andrew Madden and orphanage survivor Christine Buckley went public with lawsuits and exposes of how priests and nuns tormented them with impunity.
    Floodgates opened for Irish complaints that have topped 15,000 in this country of 4 million. Three government-ordered investigations have shocked and disgusted the nation, which has footed most of the bill to settle legal claims topping euro1 billion (nearly $1.5 billion).
    "A lot comes down to: When does that first victim gather the courage to come forward into the spotlight?" Quinn said. "It seems to take that trigger event, the lone voice who says what so many kept silent so long. That's basically happening now in Germany. It could happen next in Spain, Poland, anywhere."
    In January, an elite Jesuit school in Berlin declared it was aware of seven child-abuse cases in its past and appointed an outside investigator, Ursula Raue, to seek testimony. Within weeks, she had gathered stories of long-suppressed woe from more than 100 ex-students abused by their Jesuit masters, and from 60 molested by parish priests.
    "I always thought that at some point the wave would reach us," said Petra Dorsch-Jungsberger, a commentator on Catholic affairs and retired University of Munich communications professor.
    She credited heavy German media coverage of the latest Irish abuse scandal — a November report into decades of cover-up in the Dublin Archdiocese involving approximately 170 priests — with inspiring similar soul-searching in Germany.
    "Once the door had been opened, then many others felt they were able to step up and say: That happened to us too," she said.
    In recent weeks, new German abuse claims have surfaced on a near-daily basis and spread to Pope Benedict's Bavarian heartland and the Regensberg boys' choir long directed by the pope's brother. Benedict was Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger of Munich from 1977 to 1982, and questions now focus on what role, if any, the pontiff, played in handing pedophile priests to new parishes rather than to the law.
    A Swiss abbot said in an interview published Saturday that 60 people have reported being victims of abuse by Catholic priests in Switzerland.
    Abbot Martin Werlen of the Benedictine Abbey of Einsiedeln told Swiss daily Aargauer Zeitung that the allegations were reported to the Swiss Bishops Conference, which is investigating them.
    The Vatican on Saturday denounced what it called aggressive attempts to drag Pope Benedict XVI into the spreading scandals of pedophile priests in his German homeland, and contended he has long confronted abuse cases with courage.
    In separate interviews, both the Holy See's spokesman and its prosecutor for sex abuse of minors by clergy sought to defend the pope.
    "It's rather clear that in the last days, there have been those who have tried, with a certain aggressive persistence, in Regensburg and Munich, to look for elements to personally involve the Holy Father in the matter of abuses," Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi told Vatican Radio.
    It's inevitable that all bishops of the day, including Ratzinger, handled abuse complaints against priests in-house, said the Rev. Fergus O'Donoghue, editor of the Irish Jesuit journal Studies.
    "The pope was no different to any other bishop at time. The church policy was to keep it all quiet — to help people, but to avoid scandal. Avoiding scandal was a huge issue for the church," he said. "Of course there was cover-up," he added. But worse was "the systematic lack of concern for the victims."
    In the Netherlands, a former Catholic boarding-school abuse victim is leading a campaign for accountability. Bert Smeets, 58, has formed Mea Culpa, a victims group that has collected testimony from hundreds of abuse victims and is mulling a class-action lawsuit against the Dutch church.
    The church has apologized to the victims and set up an inquiry headed by a former government minister, a Protestant. Smeets dismisses that effort as "a typical Vatican cover-up." He said the pressure on the church came from aggressive investigations into abuse in Ireland and the U.S.
    In other predominantly Catholic areas of Europe, child-abuse scandals have tarnished individual priests and even a Polish archbishop, but have not mushroomed into a mass movement. In Spain, more than a dozen priests have been convicted of child abuse in recent decades and two potentially larger-scale cases are attracting attention.
    Ireland was until relatively recently the most enthusiastically Catholic country in Europe. Its half-dozen seminaries exported priests worldwide. All but one of those seminaries is closed now, illustrating the rapid falloff in Mass attendance as the economy has advanced and secularism has spread.
    Quinn, the Dublin think-tank director, noted that a few Irish dioceses are openly warning that they're struggling to pay bills stemming from abuse claims. In the southeast diocese of Kells, the archbishop's house has had to be remortgaged.
    "The church is asset-rich but cash-poor," Quinn said, noting that it's the biggest property owner in Ireland but has comparatively little cash in the bank. He said the Vatican, too, has less money on tap than resides in the endowment fund of a typical top-tier U.S. university.
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    This is not an isolated event just happening in a country or two. Instead we have all heard or read about it many times over the years. From many different locations and some right here in the USA. Does their positions make this some what acceptable to people or will people judge them, just as harshly as , they judge anyone else for the same conduct? I am just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Charlie View Post
    "The church is asset-rich but cash-poor," Quinn said, noting that it's the biggest property owner in Ireland but has comparatively little cash in the bank. He said the Vatican, too, has less money on tap than resides in the endowment fund of a typical top-tier U.S. university.
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    asset like a crap load of gold and any kind of Vatican cash they want to print there national bank can have a deficit like any other.
    there is no proof whatsoever that the first word of it is truthful. Not one "fact" is has been corroborated

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    I am waiting to hear someone call these people trash or has your opinions change because of who they are? Riding the fence had got suck and hurt the jewels when you wobble. I suppose they are like Government employees and the rules/ laws don't pertain to them.
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    The term Trash means outcasts from respectable society living on the fringes of the social order who are seen as dangerous because they are criminal, unpredictable, and without respect for authority whether it be political, legal, or moral.

    UC - the Church (all denominations inclusive) is the Bride of Christ. In the last days it will be cleansed by fire for it's own purification, like melting gold to rid it of other minerals. We have seen a lot of this in the last 20 years as each denomination has had it's own purification. If the Catholic Church has any worth left once this is over, it will survive, and stand up and take responsibility for what it has swept under the rug. The people who are members of this denomination, that suspected or knew, are just as responsible for allowing it to continue as were any who were in charge.
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    Now that is a very good post and has even given me some things to think about. Still I find their actions no different then the average joe. If a pedophile is trash, then so Catholic pedophiles. The only difference is their position in life!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Charlie View Post
    I am waiting to hear someone call these people trash or has your opinions change because of who they are? Riding the fence had got suck and hurt the jewels when you wobble. I suppose they are like Government employees and the rules/ laws don't pertain to them.

    My position is not on the fence...............

    These people are lower than trash (if that is possible).

    Pedophiles are low enough, but when you go into a "profession" specifically to be put in a position of trust, and have that same institution protect you by playing the "shell game", then you are basically a parasite that lives in the trash.

    As many years as this has been in the headlines, you would think that the church would get off it's ass and weed these scum out. No.........they are more worried about their reputation and protecting their assests. I'm pretty sure that if someone was able to get their hands on the right documents, you would find that the knowledge of - and the cover up of these incidents goes pretty high up in the heirarchy.

    It's time to stop handling these "people of the cloth" with kid gloves, and treat them like the criminals that they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Instigator View Post
    My position is not on the fence...............

    These people are lower than trash (if that is possible).

    Pedophiles are low enough, but when you go into a "profession" specifically to be put in a position of trust, and have that same institution protect you by playing the "shell game", then you are basically a parasite that lives in the trash.

    As many years as this has been in the headlines, you would think that the church would get off it's ass and weed these scum out. No.........they are more worried about their reputation and protecting their assets. I'm pretty sure that if someone was able to get their hands on the right documents, you would find that the knowledge of - and the cover up of these incidents goes pretty high up in the heirarchy.

    It's time to stop handling these "people of the cloth" with kid gloves, and treat them like the criminals that they are.
    agreed they are worse because of an abuse of trust and authority.
    there is no proof whatsoever that the first word of it is truthful. Not one "fact" is has been corroborated

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    Riding the fence was not directed at anyone person, but no one seemed to have near as quick of a response to this, as to the pedophile that was robbed. Leaving me to wonder what the difference was!




    I agree that their position makes it even worse. As they are expected to be trust worthy, but are they really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Charlie View Post
    Riding the fence was not directed at anyone person, but no one seemed to have near as quick of a response to this, as to the pedophile that was robbed. Leaving me to wonder what the difference was!

    The pedophile that was robbed was actually NEW news.:D
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    A man poses by St Peter's Basilica in Rome while reading a magazine story about gay priests. Photograph: Vincenzo Pinto/AFP/Getty Images


    The Catholic church, already reeling from a string of clerical sex abuse scandals, is facing new embarrassment after an Italian magazine published an investigation into what it termed the double life of gay priests in Rome.

    Using hidden cameras, the weekly Panorama, owned by Italy's prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi, captured priests visiting gay clubs and bars and having sex. The Vatican does not condemn homosexuals, but it teaches that gay sex is "intrinsically disordered". In one of his earliest moves, pope Benedict barred actively gay men from studying for the priesthood.

    The diocese of Rome lashed out at the prime minister's magazine, saying its aim was "to create scandal [and] defame all priests". But it also urged gay clerics to leave both the closet and the priesthood.

    It said, "Consistency would require that they come into the open", but that they "ought not to have become priests".

    The semi-official papal daily, L'Osservatore Romano, made no reference to the affair. Vatican Radio reported it briefly.

    One priest, a Frenchman in his 30s identified as Father Paul, attended a party at which there were two male prostitutes then said Mass the following morning before driving them to the airport, Panorama reported. A photo on its website claimed to show the priest in his dog collar but without his trousers with a gay man who acted as decoy for the magazine. In other shots, priests were shown apparently kissing Panorama's collaborator.

    A member of the clergy quoted by the magazine put the proportion of gay priests in the Italian capital at "98%". The Rome diocese insisted the vast majority of priests in the city were "models of morality for all", while adding that the number of gay clergyman was "small, but not to be written off as isolated cases". A review eight years ago of research on the American church concluded that between a quarter and a half of seminarians and priests there were homosexual.

    A former Italian MP and gay activist, Franco Grillini, said: "If all the gays in the Catholic church were to leave it at once – something we would very much like – they would cause it serious operational problems."

    Another well-known spokesman for the gay community, Aurelio Mancuso, condemned Panorama's investigation as a "horrible political and cultural operation", but agreed that if priests in Rome were to follow the advice given to them in yesterday's statement, it would "paralyse" the diocese.

    In March, the pope's own household was rocked by scandal when court documents revealed a Vatican chorister had procured male prostitutes for a papal gentleman-in-waiting.

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    Is anyone really suprised by any of this ? I'm not ! Apearing to be Chaste or religous is a no brainer way to hide what your peers concider shameful. It can even be twisted to be imagined as a test of faith.
    Vatican chorister sacked for allegedly procuring male prostitutes for papal gentleman-in-waiting
    Thursday 4 March 2010
    The Vatican was today rocked by a sex scandal reaching into Pope Benedict's household after a chorister was sacked for allegedly procuring male prostitutes for a papal gentleman-in-waiting.
    Angelo Balducci, a Gentleman of His Holiness, was caught by police on a wiretap allegedly negotiating with Thomas Chinedu Ehiem, a 29-year-old Vatican chorister, over the specific physical details of men he wanted brought to him. Transcripts in the possession of the Guardian suggest that numerous men may have been procured for Balducci, at least one of whom was studying for the priesthood.
    The explosive claims about Balducci's private life have caused grave embarrassment to the Vatican, which has yet to publicly comment on the affair.
    While Catholicism does not condemn homosexuality outright, its teaching is that homosexual acts "are intrinsically disordered". The Catechism of the Catholic church states unequivocally: "Under no circumstances can they be approved."
    Balducci was arrested on 10 February, suspected of involvement in widespread corruption. A senior Italian government official, he is alleged to have to steered public works contracts towards favoured bidders. He has not been charged.
    It was during this investigation into corruption that wiretaps revealed his alleged sexual activity. In one conversation, Ehiem tells Balducci: "I saw your call when I was in the Vatican, because I was doing rehearsals … in the choir … in St Peter's." He then suggests Balducci meet a man who he describes is "two metres tall … 97 kilos … aged 33, completely active."
    Balducci is also a senior adviser to the Congregation for the Evangelisation of Peoples, the department that oversees the Roman Catholic church's worldwide missionary activities.
    Since 1995, he has been a member of one of the world's most exclusive fraternities – the Gentlemen of His Holiness, or Papal Gentlemen, the ceremonial ushers of the papal household. In the words of a 1968 ordinance, they are expected to "distinguish themselves for the good of souls and the glory of the name of the Lord".
    According to a report by the Carabinieri for prosecutors in Florence investigating the corruption scandal, there was a hidden side to Balducci's life. "In order to organise casual encounters of a sexual nature, he availed himself of the intercession of two individuals who, it is maintained, may form part of an organised network, especially active in [Rome], of exploiters or at least facilitators of male prostitution."
    It named one as Ehiem, a professional chorister born in Nigeria. According to Italian press reports, Ehiem, a member of the choir that sings in St Peters when the pope is not officiating, lost his job on Wednesday after details of the Florence investigation became known to the Vatican.
    In an interview to be published tomorrow by the news magazine Panorama, Ehiem said he had been introduced to Balducci more than 10 years ago. He claims: "He asked me if I could procure other men for him. He told me he was married and that I had to do it in great secrecy."
    There were conflicting accounts of how the Vatican might respond. According to one source, there was no provision for the dismissal of a Gentleman of His Holiness. Another said: "We shall wait for the judiciary's definitive verdict."
    The transcripts imply that over a period of around five months in 2008, Ehiem procured for Balducci at least 10 contacts with, among others, "two black Cuban lads", a former male model from Naples, and a rugby player from Rome.
    Balducci's lawyer, Franco Coppi, said tonight: "I have no comment. First, because we have more serious questions to tackle. Second, if these claims are correct, they regard his private life. It is disgraceful that these transcripts, which have nothing to do with the case, should have been spread about."
    In January this year, the Carabinieri recorded an exchange in which Balducci and Ehiem discuss a seminarian, or student for the priesthood. Balducci is said to have asked: "Listen, have you spoken with the seminarian by any chance?" Ehiem says he is "probably at mass or something". On 11 January, Ehiem calls again to recommend "a colleague, a friend" of the seminarian because the latter is unavailable. He says the colleague is "better, taller, a bit taller than you". Later, Ehiem asks: "Can I send [him] around straight away?"
    He asks where Balducci is. The adviser says: "Up at the seminary … where the cardinal lives." Ehiem replies: "He could get there within half an hour … the time it takes to catch a taxi and get there."
    there is no proof whatsoever that the first word of it is truthful. Not one "fact" is has been corroborated

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    SAN ANTONIO, Tex. (Reuters) – The Catholic church on Friday said it would pay nearly a million dollars to a man allegedly sexually abused at age 16 by a priest, who then tried to cover it up and hire a hit man to kill the victim.
    Archbisip c said that the Archdiocese of San Antonio would pay the man, who is now 19, $946,000 to settle his lawsuit against the church.
    "This is a very sad thing and very painful for me, for the church, for the family," said Garcia-Siller, who was just appointed San Antonio Archbishop in November.
    Former priest John Fiala is charged with plying the unidentified boy in his parish in rural southwest Texas with booze and giving him a car in an attempt to 'groom' the boy for sexual abuse in 2007 and 2008, according to court documents.
    He allegedly sexually abused the boy on several occasions on church property, frequently threatening to kill the youngster if he told anybody about the abuse, and once pointing a gun at the teen, the documents say.
    Fiala was first arrested on a charge of sexual assault of a child in Kansas last September, but was released on bond. He was arrested again in November on charges that he offered an undercover Texas Ranger $5,000 to kill the teenager.
    He has not yet been tried on the criminal charges.
    Father Martin Leopold, who investigated the case after local officials reported concerns about Fiala, said that after his ordination into the priesthood in Nebraska, Fiala moved to Texas with a clean recommendation. This was even though a teenager in the Archdiocese of Omaha, Nebraska had complained of Fiala making a sexual advance in 2002, three years before he moved to Texas.
    Fiala served as a priest at Society of our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity church in the small town of Rocksprings, which is west of San Antonio not far from the Mexican border. Neighbors said Fiala organized a youth baseball league, and reached out to troubled teens including the boy he allegedly abused.
    (Reporting and Writing by Jim Forsyth, Editing by Greg McCune)
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    Sick sick sick.

    Father Martin Leopold, who investigated the case after local officials reported concerns about Fiala, said that after his ordination into the priesthood in Nebraska, Fiala moved to Texas with a clean recommendation. This was even though a teenager in the Archdiocese of Omaha, Nebraska had complained of Fiala making a sexual advance in 2002, three years before he moved to Texas.

    That SO pisses me off.

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    I agree, when will the church stop covering for these scum bags? I thought they had cleaned house.

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    After his ordination into the priesthood in Nebraska, Fiala moved to Texas a teenager in the Archdiocese of Omaha, Nebraska had complained of Fiala making a sexual advance in 2002, three years before he moved to Texas.
    • HE was 46 when he was ordained ????
    • He gave the boy a car and booze at 16 years old in 07 and 08 Were the hell were the parents ?
    • The teenager filed a lawsuit in April 2010 against the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of San Antonio and then-Archbishop Jose Gomez.
    When did he go to Kansas?
    • When Edwards County authorities told the Archdiocese of San Antonio in 2008 that they were investigating accusations of custodial interference - not sexual abuse - by Fiala, the priest was removed from ministry, and the parish was told about the investigation, the archdiocese has said.
    SO he didn't get arrested in Kansas till after he had a lawsuit filed ?
    • He first arrested on a charge of sexual assault of a child in Kansas last September 2010?
    November 23, 2010
    Fiala, 52, was arrested at his home Thursday after meeting with an undercover officer to arrange the alleged victim's death, Texas Department of Public Safety spokesman Tom Vinger told the San Antonio Express-News. Vinger said the investigation began Nov. 11 when Fiala's neighbor tipped off Edwards County Sheriff Don Letsinger.

    The neighbor reported that Fiala had offered him $5,000 to kill the sexual abuse complainant, who is now 18, Letsinger said.
    there is no proof whatsoever that the first word of it is truthful. Not one "fact" is has been corroborated

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    Sick snicklefritzs always prey on the "throw away" kids because they are easy targets. They come from homes where no one gives a shit and would never believe a priest would do something like this.

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    Wait Jeannie its not throw away ! didn't the mom of that 3 year old call it "independent and not a mamas boy" ?
    there is no proof whatsoever that the first word of it is truthful. Not one "fact" is has been corroborated

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    BOSTON (Reuters) – Pope Benedict XVI defrocked three former Boston priests who faced accusations of sexual abuse or soliciting a minor, the Archdiocese of Boston said on Friday.
    Frederick Cartier, Louis Govoni and Frederick Guthrie "may no longer function in any capacity as priests, with the exception of offering absolution to the dying," said the Archdiocese of Boston statement.
    Cartier was ordained in 1963 but left the ministry in 1980. He faced accusations in 2002 of sexually abusing a minor in the early 1970s, the church said.
    Govoni, ordained in 1972, also faced accusations of sexually abusing a minor in the 1970s. He had been absent from the ministry since 1978, it said.
    Guthrie, ordained in 1962, took leave from the Archdiocese in July 2001 and later pleaded guilty to charges of using a computer to solicit a minor, the church said.
    The priest sex abuse scandal, which has rocked the Roman Catholic church worldwide, first erupted in Boston nearly a decade ago.
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    The same pope that refused to do anything about a priest accused of molesting over 200 boys?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/wo...25vatican.html

    Sorry, I have no respect for the catholic church.

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