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    You must know what he thinks, I don't; however, I know of no one disputing the links posted.

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    Just saying...

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    yet his followers will still support him. lordy, lordy

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    And Hillary's followers are just as brainwashed. Except she's proven she's screwed over the COUNTRY.
    All the things listed for Trump were done when he was a private citizen. He has the RIGHT to support anyone he felt would be in his best interest at the time.
    Why is that so hard to understand?? Things he's done in the past (personal) did not affect the direction of the COUNTRY as Hillary's have!
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    It's not hard to understand at all...it is clear that Trump is a self-centered egotistical narcissistic a$$hole that only cares about himself and his...a very good reason not to ...

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    What's even worse is that people have a hard time separating fact from fiction where Hillary is concerned...yes, she has made some bad calls and done some stupid stuff...but, so much of what is circulating is distorted or lies and people won't make the effort to learn the truth...
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    speaking of stupid stuff, for trump to go after the hispanic gov of New Mex. well hes as dumb as a sack of tire tools.

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    Oh my...

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    intelligence? OR just a trump follower?
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    yes, she has made some bad calls and done some stupid stuff..
    That got 4 killed and then lied to the families. Having a private server while conducting government business.
    I know, Dems keep repeating like the parrots they are, she was cleared for Benghazi, over and over. But she did, in fact, lie to the families as the bodies were right in front of her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundealer View Post
    That got 4 killed and then lied to the families. Having a private server while conducting government business.
    I know, Dems keep repeating like the parrots they are, she was cleared for Benghazi, over and over. But she did, in fact, lie to the families as the bodies were right in front of her.
    If your referring to Benghazi I'd suggest your read up on it. There are a couple of good books, one by one of the contractor's that was there. The CIA on station would not release additional help to go to the compound. They eventually defied orders and arrived too late.

    The congressional hearing found nothing to hang on her. As I said before if there was something even as insignificant as a parking ticket the repubs would be lining up for a firing squad.

    Remember a "investigation" by any department, law enforcement or whatever is just that, a "investigation". It does not signify guilt. No matter how politically it is driven. If it involves Clinton, the investigation will on until after the election. It makes for good press.

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    And I did say she has been cleared.
    Just that she LIED to the families as the bodies were bing transfered from the phane to hearses. Right in front of her face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundealer View Post
    And I did say she has been cleared.
    Just that she LIED to the families as the bodies were bing transfered from the phane to hearses. Right in front of her face.
    I was referring to "that got four killed".

    They all lie, they are politicians, it is what they do.

    So, I guess you are happy with Trump?

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    Haven't decided.
    I know it will N O T be Hillary! I hope people that have't been living under a rock have the intelligence to realize she will bend this country over.

    Most people have't figured out there are others running.
    Also who they pick for VP can make a differnt.
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    A classic case of "he said, she said, they said, and so on..."

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/feb/09/what-did-hillary-clinton-tell-families-people-who-/


    What did Hillary Clinton tell the families of people who lost their lives in Benghazi?

    By Lauren Carroll on Tuesday, February 9th, 2016 at 6:22 p.m.


    ...

    This allegation that Clinton lied to victims’ families refers to events right after the Sept. 11, 2012, attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya. Three days after the attacks, President Barack Obama, Clinton and others met with the families of the four victims, gathering at Joint Base Andrews to receive the victims’ remains. Rubio alleges that at this meeting, Clinton told the families a story about the attacks that she knew at the time to be false.

    This talking point gets right at the heart of the deep partisan divide over Benghazi and Clinton’s role, and readers have asked us for clarity. But the lack of hard evidence makes it impossible to know what really happened between Clinton and these families.

    No one recorded these brief meetings behind closed doors. Family members and Clinton disagree on what was said. Especially given the emotional setting, memories — both Clinton’s and the families’ — might be fuzzy.

    We tried to reach as many family members as we could and reviewed their past statements. We also sought comment from the Rubio campaign for this story, but they did not respond.

    We can’t put Rubio’s statement on the Truth-O-Meter. But here, we’ll lay out the case for and against his allegation against Clinton and let readers come to their own conclusion.

    ‘Because of this film that came out’

    There was initial confusion, and conflicting intelligence and public statements, about whether the Benghazi attack was part of protests about a video mocking Islam and depicting the prophet Mohammed. The video had sparked raucous demonstrations around the Middle East, including one at the U.S. embassy in Cairo, Egypt, on the same day as Benghazi.

    It turned out that there were no protests in Benghazi that day, and the attack was premeditated. Some family members of the Benghazi victims have said Clinton mentioned a video in their meeting, even though she knew it didn’t cause the attack.

    Patricia Smith, mother of information officer Sean Smith, told CNN on Oct. 10, 2012, that at the Joint Base Andrews meeting, National Security Adviser Susan Rice "talked to me personally, and she said this is the way it was. It was because of this film that came out."

    Speaking at a House hearing about a year later, Smith expanded on that, saying that Clinton, President Barack Obama, Rice and others, all individually told her the attack stemmed from the video.

    "She lies. Very simple. She is not telling the truth," Smith said during an interview with Fox’s Megyn Kelly in 2015, when Kelly brought up the question of whether Clinton mentioned the video.

    Charles Woods, father of CIA operative Tyrone Woods, told talk show host Glenn Beck on Oct. 25, 2012, that Clinton said to him, "We will make sure that the person who made that film is arrested and prosecuted."

    In 2015, three years later, Woods shared with Fox News diary notes he took after meeting Clinton, Obama and other officials. "I gave Hillary a hug and shook her hand. And she said we are going to have the filmmaker arrested who was responsible for the death of my son," the entry said in full.

    Speaking with CNN’s Anderson Cooper in October 2015, Kate Quigley, sister of CIA operative Glen Doherty, said Clinton mentioned protests but not a video.

    "She spoke to my family about how sad we should feel for the Libyan people because they are uneducated, and that breeds fear, which breeds violence, and leads to a protest," Quigley said, adding that Clinton chose to "perpetuate what she knew was untrue."

    In addition to meeting with family members privately at Andrews that day, Clinton made a public statement. In it, she didn’t specify what motivated the attack, but she did mention the video. She was careful, though, not to directly tie it to Benghazi.

    "This has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our country," she said. "We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful Internet video that we had nothing to do with."

    ‘Part of the fog of war’

    Some family members don’t remember any discussion of a video.

    Jan Stevens, father of Ambassador Chris Stevens, told PolitiFact that the first time he heard anything about a video was when the Washington Post Fact Checker called him with a similar question. He confirmed that he heard "nothing whatsoever" about a video from Clinton but declined to comment further.

    Tyrone Woods’ mother, Cheryl Bennett, told PolitiFact that when she spoke with Clinton, she "never heard the word ‘video’ mentioned. That’s just a fact." Bennett, who is estranged from Charles Woods, said the motivation behind the attack didn’t come up in her brief interaction with Clinton.

    Barbara Doherty, Glen Doherty’s mother, didn’t recall talking with Clinton about a video and said she remembered Clinton as being sincere and crying, according to the Washington Post.

    Clinton, for her part, flatly denies saying anything about the film in her one-on-one with the families. On Dec. 30, 2015, New Hampshire’s Conway Daily Sun asked her about the allegation that she lied to the families.

    "I can't recite for you everything that was in a conversation where people were sobbing, where people were distraught, the president and the vice president, we were all making the rounds talking to people, listening to people," Clinton said, after saying she didn’t tell them anything about the videos. "This was a part of the fog of war."

    For the sake of argument, let’s say Clinton had told the families something about the video: Would she have been telling them something she knew to be false? Not necessarily.

    A clear picture of whether there had been protests in Benghazi didn’t come together until Sept. 15, a day after Clinton met with the families, according to multiple Senate investigation reports.

    In its same-day report about the ceremony at Andrews, the New York Times wrote that information available to the White House at the time suggested there were protests in Benghazi spurred by those in Cairo, and Islamic extremists took advantage of the situation and began the attack.

    Many people say Clinton knew it was a terrorist attack wholly unconnected from protests on the day of the attacks, Sept. 11, 2012. That day, Ansar al-Sharia, an al-Qaida affiliated group, took responsibility for the attack. Within the next 24 hours, we know Clinton relayed this to Libyan President Mohamed Magariaf and Egyptian Prime Minister Hesham Kandil. She also emailed her daughter, Chelsea, that night, telling her the attack seemed to have been committed by an al-Qaida-like group.

    However, this was all before Ansar al-Sharia retracted their claim of responsibility. So it’s possible Clinton had intelligence about possible protests, rather than an unconnected terrorist attack, in mind when she met with the families. But this is, again, something we likely won’t ever know.

    Even absent protests in Benghazi, some intelligence says the video played some motivational role, providing a rallying call for opportunistic attackers, according to congressional investigations. A Libyan terrorist intimately involved in the Benghazi attack, who the United States has since captured, reportedly said at the time that he was partially motivated by the video, for example.

    "I believe to this day the video played a role," Clinton said at her congressional testimony Oct. 22, 2015.

    In conclusion

    It is impossible to know with certainty what Clinton told these families in brief conversations at a private reception only three days after Benghazi. Some, but not all, family members who have spoken to the media said Clinton mentioned a video or protests in their meeting. Some said she didn’t mention a video. Clinton says she did not.

    If she did say something about the video, would it have been an intentional lie? It’s very possible that this is one of the many conflicting pieces of intelligence that the administration was working with at the time.

    There simply is not enough concrete information in the public domain for Rubio or anyone to claim as fact that Clinton did or did not lie to the Benghazi families.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sundealer View Post
    Haven't decided.
    I know it will N O T be Hillary! I hope people that have't been living under a rock have the intelligence to realize she will bend this country over.

    Most people have't figured out there are others running.
    Also who they pick for VP can make a differnt.
    Well, if it is not HC then it would be Trump. Unless of course Romney and his buddies hijack the election.

    Trump imo, will pander to women or minorities for a VP pick. He has stated that he would welcome Palin in his administration. Whatever that means.

    I figure my vote will be based on this question.

    Name 5 things that the repubs have done since 1980 that has benefited the average American. I've yet to have that question answered. Which imo is an answer.

    Since both candidates suck, I'm going to vote the party and hope for the best.

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    For my family, which I can only speak, the wars gave us opportunity to make money. Contracting for the husband was good.
    Since Obama came into office, things have been shit for many of them. Sure the unemployment numbers look good because after 7 years everyone's benefits have run out.
    We are paying, even through an employer, twice as much in insurance premiums. Some of the shit we are paying for we don't need or want but have to have because it's a law! We must pay for the slackers out there. Yet Vets can't get into the VA!
    So yeah. for us things were much better under the Republicans.

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    "OVER AN AWFUL INTERNET VIDEO" not a word about terrorist!


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    Really?? I doubt those who were killed or wounded or their families think that war is such a good thing.

    Honestly, after the carnage I've seen in war I'd pass all the good jobs and live on the street if it meant there wouldn't be another..

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    Neither Obama or Hillary said that the deaths of these men were the result of the video in the YouTube video above...however, it is true that at the same time within a a couple of days there were multi protests in various place over that video...also, the making of that video was in violation of the parole/probation that the maker was on which is why he was re-arrested. I do think that the administration spoke too soon about the cause of the Benghazi attack and they would have been well-advised to say, "we don't know yet" and let FOX accuse them of "hiding the facts"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundealer View Post
    For my family, which I can only speak, the wars gave us opportunity to make money. Contracting for the husband was good.
    Since Obama came into office, things have been shit for many of them. Sure the unemployment numbers look good because after 7 years everyone's benefits have run out.
    We are paying, even through an employer, twice as much in insurance premiums. Some of the shit we are paying for we don't need or want but have to have because it's a law! We must pay for the slackers out there. Yet Vets can't get into the VA!
    So yeah. for us things were much better under the Republicans.

    ...


    IMO, the argument that we are being forced to pay/buy coverage for "things we don't need"...e.g., maternity benefits for those beyond child-bearing age is nothing more than a "red herring" argument. While, a person such as myself and sundealer who will never need maternity benefits again, we very well may need coverage for other issues of the reproductive tract and mammograms...coverage for health care, preventative and early detection of diseases should cover all issues regardless if it is maternity or cancer of the ovaries. Counseling benefits should cover drug/alcohol abuse issues as well as depression and/or other mental health issues, so on and so forth. Not every single medical issue imaginable is mentioned. Generally as we grow older our needs change...when we are younger and involved in sports and such we endure injuries and broken bones and as we get older we need coverage for arthritis, gall stones and other maladies that stalk older adults.

    If one's cost for health insurance through an employer is available, the amount that it costs the employee is determined by how much the employer is willing to pay and the balance is paid by the employee. In the past some people were paying for policies that were basically worthless in many cases...my insurance that I had while working and which I also carried into retirement with me has changed very little in premiums over the past 6-8 years. My employer pays about 2/3 - 3/4 of the premium and I pay the balance. I was fortunate to have excellent coverage all along and there was not a big increase because I went from a crappy policy to one that meets the ACA requirements. I just went to my file cabinets and looked at my W-2s and R-1099 and see that my premiums (the employee's part) actually has been reduced since 2008.

    In 2008, the premiums I paid was $2,475.93 yearly;
    In 2012, the premiums I paid was $2,116.66 yearly; and
    In 2014, I paid $2,432.38

    I stayed with the same insurance company and the same coverage.

    Beginning in 2015, I changed from the high option to standard option as this is now secondary to Medicare and I don't need the high option. At any rate, since I retired in 2012 and went on Medicare Parts A&B, I have not had to pay one penny as between Medicare and my other insurance everything is covered at 100%, except for my co-pays on my medication. When I changed to the standard option, my premiums are just slightly over $100 monthly.
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    I guess we hear what we want to hear.
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