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    Also, it seems Tillerson had the audacity to agree with the Brits that Russia probably attempted to kill their ex-spy living in England with a nerve gas developed and made in Russia. In addition, he advised trumptheignorant that the Iran deal wasn't so bad after all...that should he cancel it, the Iranians would immediately, the very next day, start enriching their uranium to weapons grade...the deal has prevented this and there are safeguards and checks in place to ensure this. idiottrump has probably already fired up the back-channel to assure daddy P that he has fired the bad man who spoke ill of him and his dear Russia's behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limner43 View Post
    I don't understand why anyone would not take CNN seriously.
    Because they have chose to report on the most ridiculous and irrelevant, they act as hurt child lashing out at the bad man who hurt their feelings. They are actively trying to suppress other news outlets who express contrasting opinions while beholding to some fantasy that their corporate vastness gives them superior integrity. In fact they have become as ludicrous as Fox in their obsessive coverage of anything that might stick in the blind raging effort to Impeach . CNN has been doing gutter reporting for a while now and they believe their sermon!
    Jeesh the looks on their faces when talking about stormy Daniels is befitting of an expression appropriate for a cancer , or meteor on a destructive course toward earth, and truth is I DON'T CARE if he had sex with a porn star or if he paid her to keep her mouth shut about it.

    CNN has proven itself incapable of covering more than one topic at a time.
    On Wednesday, CNN’s primetime programming showed that with over 149 minutes pushing the Trump scandal involving porn star Stormy Daniels and another 86 minutes on other Trump-related scandals.

    From 5:00 p.m. Eastern to 12:00 a.m. Eastern, the four CNN programs devoted 84 percent of its airtime to Trump scandals. The porn story drew 149 minutes of CNN’s attention, 72 and a half minutes on the Russia probe, nearly 10 minutes on White House staff turmoil, and almost four minutes on HUD.
    we are vastly more focused on what divides us than what unites us

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    Quote Originally Posted by limner43 View Post
    But if someone else tells it like it is (that trump is an incompetent pea brain, for example) then that is unacceptable.
    Because that is a Lazy unsupported generalisation and ridiculous assertion that is subjective, pejorative, ad hominem and meaningless, because it is obviously an untrue hyperbole. No different than saying he's a poopy pants, well I guess we might not know for certain he has not shit his pants, Im sure CNN will let us know when the get a pair of his whitey tighties with skid marks.

    Valid criticism with thought and understanding of many aspects of the subject is usually appreciated and will stand proud in a discussion without mockery and ridicule.
    anyone who disagrees with his actions and cant even acknowledge that he does have an above average brain will never win the argument. And yes If Trump is above average, then there are a lot of stupid people out there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ROOT View Post
    Because that is a Lazy unsupported generalisation and ridiculous assertion that is subjective, pejorative, ad hominem and meaningless, because it is obviously an untrue hyperbole. No different than saying he's a poopy pants, well I guess we might not know for certain he has not shit his pants, Im sure CNN will let us know when the get a pair of his whitey tighties with skid marks.

    Valid criticism with thought and understanding of many aspects of the subject is usually appreciated and will stand proud in a discussion without mockery and ridicule.
    anyone who disagrees with his actions and cant even acknowledge that he does have an above average brain will never win the argument. And yes If Trump is above average, then there are a lot of stupid people out there.


    1) If that is true, why does he constantly do and say stupid things just about every third thing he says or does?

    or

    2) Maybe he is the proof positive of the vicious circle theory that genius and crazy meet.

    He and his are constantly giving the news reporting agencies the fodder with which to make him/them look ridiculous such as Donnie jr posting/tweeting a selfie of himself rapped in a make up cape depicting the American Flag while getting ready to appear on a Fox News show...this is after the heinous display they made when American athletes exercised their First Amendment rights...rather, if a president, any president wants to speak to the issue, IMO the more appropriate thing to have said would be, "It makes me very sad to see our American citizens show disrespect during the playing of the National Anthem, or not showing proper respect towards our flag" rather than yelling and calling them names and demanding they be fired. Is he going to fire his son? Worse yet is that there are circumstances in this country that would make Americans feel compelled to act this way.

    And now, the hypocriteboy with all his ranting about Bill's sexual misdeeds and trying to somehow lay them at Hillary's feet, when it appears his are just as devious...if he really was of above intelligence he would have been silent on that issue. Does his constant lying not bother those who voted for him or is that just more of his "charm"?

    I think in this case # 2) is probably the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROOT View Post
    Because they have chose to report on the most ridiculous and irrelevant, they act as hurt child lashing out at the bad man who hurt their feelings. They are actively trying to suppress other news outlets who express contrasting opinions while beholding to some fantasy that their corporate vastness gives them superior integrity. In fact they have become as ludicrous as Fox in their obsessive coverage of anything that might stick in the blind raging effort to Impeach . CNN has been doing gutter reporting for a while now and they believe their sermon!
    Jeesh the looks on their faces when talking about stormy Daniels is befitting of an expression appropriate for a cancer , or meteor on a destructive course toward earth, and truth is I DON'T CARE if he had sex with a porn star or if he paid her to keep her mouth shut about it.

    CNN has proven itself incapable of covering more than one topic at a time.
    On Wednesday, CNN’s primetime programming showed that with over 149 minutes pushing the Trump scandal involving porn star Stormy Daniels and another 86 minutes on other Trump-related scandals.

    From 5:00 p.m. Eastern to 12:00 a.m. Eastern, the four CNN programs devoted 84 percent of its airtime to Trump scandals. The porn story drew 149 minutes of CNN’s attention, 72 and a half minutes on the Russia probe, nearly 10 minutes on White House staff turmoil, and almost four minutes on HUD.
    I think if you thought about it, you would realize that FOX did the exact same thing during the Obama administration. CNN didn't invent this type of cable news reporting, unfortunately it has become the norm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KathyInAR View Post
    1) If that is true, why does he constantly do and say stupid things just about every third thing he says or does?I guess stupid is subjective to the observers rulers and filters. Does articulate equate intellect?
    you seem to assume that his goals and objectives are what you expect.

    or

    2) Maybe he is the proof positive of the vicious circle theory that genius and crazy meet.
    SO WAIT your putting stupid and crazy in the same bucket ? I think mental health issues are far more complicated and completelydisconnected from intelligence. Eccentricity is the break from convention that has brought change and progress throughout history with the innovation it spawns.

    He and his are constantly giving the news reporting agencies the fodder with which to make him/them look ridiculous
    The media has taken on this roll and forgotten that things like this are NOT NEWS OF NATIONAL CONCERN
    such as Donnie jr posting/tweeting a selfie of himself rapped in a make up cape depicting the American Flag while getting ready to appear on a Fox News show...this is after the heinous display they made when American athletes exercised their First Amendment rights...rather, if a president, any president wants to speak to the issue, IMO the more appropriate thing to have said would be, "It makes me very sad to see our American citizens show disrespect during the playing of the National Anthem, or not showing proper respect towards our flag" rather than yelling and calling them names and demanding they be fired. Is he going to fire his son? Worse yet is that there are circumstances in this country that would make Americans feel compelled to act this way.

    And now, the hypocriteboy with all his ranting about Bill's sexual misdeeds and trying to somehow lay them at Hillary's feet, when it appears his are just as devious...if he really was of above intelligence he would have been silent on that issue. Does his constant lying not bother those who voted for him or is that just more of his "charm"?
    I dont always see the Lie that others perceive by reconciliation with other subjective opinions and straw men. but again I pay no attention to the gossip slander and mud that isn't directly of interest to American policy.
    I think in this case # 2) is probably the case.
    Quote Originally Posted by KathyInAR View Post
    I think if you thought about it, you would realize that FOX did the exact same thing during the Obama administration. CNN didn't invent this type of cable news reporting, unfortunately it has become the norm.
    I think If you had read my entire thought you would have seen this bit "In fact they have become as ludicrous as Fox"
    we are vastly more focused on what divides us than what unites us

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROOT View Post
    I think If you had read my entire thought you would have seen this bit "In fact they have become as ludicrous as Fox"
    I did read your post, and I answered it a while afterwards and after I had read others and posted. I forget, I am old...sorry.

    I should have reread it when I went back to find it to quote...I am old.

    Edited to add...I think that we have a lying incompetent untrustworthy president should be of national interest. And it was he who brought those example I mentioned above about Bill C's sexual misbehavior and respect for the Flag to the nation's table.
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    Yup. In an article disseminated by the Anne Frank Society, they compare the rise of Hitler and his juggernaut of propaganda and disinformation to the rise of trump. The parallels are remarkable. They are not asserting that people will be rounded up and taken to camps; but they do suggest that the same techniques to divide people, to negate the media, and to disassemble the traditional structures of government are present. Trump is now advocating death for drug pushers. Some supporters say it's his way of testing the political waters. But what if he finds that the political wind is in his favor? What if the ignorant electorate thinks this is a good idea? Do we then sacrifice our due process and humanity on the altar of trumpism? This is not far-fetched. Consider how many times you have read on this forum that the media is not to be trusted. It's a trumpism...repeated by the ignorant. It's a trumpism designed to protect himself from his critics. It's oppression, not dressed in a brown uniform, but clad in a suit. It's not a raised arm in Roman salute. It's a red hat with a lie stitched on its front.
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    And what? Determination of the death penalty is up to the judicial system, not from trump.

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    CNN, other broadcast media, and a wealth of print publications are indeed in the gutter because they, of necessity, follow the White House religiously. So, if they find gutter sleeze, they report it. Stormy Daniels inevitably will be linked to trump, as Lewinski is to Clinton, as Monroe is to Kennedy, and as Eisenhower's wartime driver is to him. Trump asserts that he is a genius. The intelligent people I have met in my career never tout their ability. They demonstrate it. They do not need subordinates to parse, explain, and interpret their words. They communicate clearly. They do not hide behind staffers or hunker behind tweets. They eagerly welcome open conversations. They do not make impulsive decisions. They research, analyze, and seek advice from experts. Their decisions are not unilateral. They do not lie. They do not have to. Ultimately, it's irrelevant whether trump is a blithering idiot or a savant. He is doing incalculable damage to the country, and the unintended consequences of his administration's actions are yet to be understood.
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    And what? Determination of the death penalty is up to the judicial system, not from trump.
    That's exactly correct.
    However, he, like the Police Union, can say they are for the death penalty for drug dealers and cop killers.
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    What was the proximate cause of death of this young woman?

    Was it the fact that so-'n-so sold/gave her drugs?
    or
    Was it the fact that of her own volition she used/took the drugs?

    Are we going to advocate giving pharmacists who fill prescriptions for patients which end up harming/causing the death of the patient the death penalty?

    Or the car dealer who sells the car to a driver who ends up having an accident that kills them and/or others should get the death penalty?

    Or the gun seller who sells a gun that ends up killing the buyer or someone else should get the death penalty?

    In the application of the law, the "proximate cause" of one's death must be ascertained.

    Proximate Cause Law and Legal Definition. A proximate cause is one that is legally sufficient to result in liability. It is an act or omission that is considered in law to result in a consequence, so that liability can be imposed on the actor. It is the cause that directly produces an event.
    It will be interesting to watch and see how the court applies this particular law and if he is found guilty of murder if it will hold up on appeal. He could have sold her drugs everyday for a year and unless or until she decided to use them, she would not have died from an overdose or drug use. Where should the "proximate cause" accurately be assigned?
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    Proximate Cause Law and Legal Definition. A proximate cause is one that is legally sufficient to result in liability. It is an act or omission that is considered in law to result in a consequence, so that liability can be imposed on the actor. It is the cause that directly produces an event.
    The guns were manufactured. Shipped to various legal gun shops/merchants. Sold legally to someone who cleared background checks and wait periods.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/14/n...companies.html

    So by your post this case should have never been allowed to get this far and have been thrown out as soon as it was filed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundealer View Post
    The guns were manufactured. Shipped to various legal gun shops/merchants. Sold legally to someone who cleared background checks and wait periods.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/14/n...companies.html

    So by your post this case should have never been allowed to get this far and have been thrown out as soon as it was filed.
    All that may be true, however, it doesn't address the proximate cause question required for conviction for murder. And as for "being allowed to get this far"--laws are made at all levels of jurisdiction and until they are challenged on appeal and can be appealed all the way to the Supreme Count before they are deemed either Constitutional or unConstitutional (this decision can be made at any appeal level) they can be "allowed to get this far."

    The law can certainly be changed to where the death penalty can be given for trafficking in illegal or illicit drugs; however, I don't know if a murder charge would be sustained at higher courts of appeal should one be convicted for murder for the sale of the drug to a person who willingly and knowingly used the drug without force by the seller.

    I remember when I was a kid, drug dealing was a capital offense...I don't know when that changed or why? I also remember saying that if I every found an SOB trying to push drugs off on my kid, I'd kill 'em and take my chances in court...of course, I have no idea that I'd really do that but I would sure have wanted too! I just thank God everyday that my immediate family has not be touched by the illegal use of drugs...I am sure it is one of the worse scourges facing this country in the modern day. What in the hell is wrong with people??? Do they think they are the one person who will be immune to the suffering caused by the use of illegal drugs???
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundealer View Post
    And??
    https://www.news4jax.com/news/florid...overdose-death
    The mother said her daughter was an organ donor and, after she died, was able to save five lives with the organs she donated.
    HUH, they can use organs in an overdose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by limner43 View Post
    Stormy Daniels inevitably will be linked to trump, as Lewinski is to Clinton, as Monroe is to Kennedy, and as Eisenhower's wartime driver is to him. And like them it is irrelevant and didn't stop them doing great things

    Trump asserts that he is a genius.I'm sure the tiny hands and combover are signs of other low confidences that may cause disproportionate focus on other assets (not meant to be a pejorative just an observation)
    The intelligent people I have met in my career never tout their ability. Well Socially skilled smart people know that less smart people are angered and offended if their mental abilities are challenged as being inferior so they learn to placate and humor them even as far as to be condescending, But a few just dont give a damn about it.
    They demonstrate it.
    They do not need subordinates to parse, explain, and interpret their words.
    They communicate clearly.
    They do not hide behind staffers or hunker behind tweets.
    They eagerly welcome open conversations. NO NOT REALLY MOST CONVERSATIONS, END IN FRUSTRATION
    They do not make impulsive decisions. hahahahahahahahha
    They research, analyze, and seek advice from experts.
    Their decisions are not unilateral.
    They do not lie. YEAH THEY DO! THEY ARE JUST BETTER AT IT
    They do not have to.
    Ultimately, it's irrelevant whether trump is a blithering idiot or a savant. He is doing incalculable damage to the country, and the unintended consequences of his administration's actions are yet to be understood.
    AND HERE WE HAVE THE MOST IMPORTANT STATEMENT Effective criticism has to be built on an understanding of the material /
    You make a lot of assertions on a small sample of people who in your opinion appear Intelligent, by the criteria you associate with smart people.
    I propose you are making some broad and ridicules unilateral associations that are not correlated with IQ. It is in fact rare to find an individual that is both creative highly intelligent and a great communicator of ideas. One who can communicate complex ideas to the common mind. See now, this fellow meets most of that criteria, and is one of the greatest minds of our time.
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    Yes, but the organs are usually assigned to older or otherwise compromised patients. Once the organ is transplanted, doctors treat for the drug. Younger, healthier organs are reserved for younger patients. Even HIV affected organs are used because treatment is available. It's simply added to the regimen.
    Likes ROOT liked this post

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    Quote Originally Posted by KathyInAR View Post
    All that may be true, however, it doesn't address the proximate cause question required for conviction for murder. And as for "being allowed to get this far"--laws are made at all levels of jurisdiction and until they are challenged on appeal and can be appealed all the way to the Supreme Count before they are deemed either Constitutional or unConstitutional (this decision can be made at any appeal level) they can be "allowed to get this far."

    The law can certainly be changed to where the death penalty can be given for trafficking in illegal or illicit drugs; however, I don't know if a murder charge would be sustained at higher courts of appeal should one be convicted for murder for the sale of the drug to a person who willingly and knowingly used the drug without force by the seller.

    I remember when I was a kid, drug dealing was a capital offense...I don't know when that changed or why? I also remember saying that if I every found an SOB trying to push drugs off on my kid, I'd kill 'em and take my chances in court...of course, I have no idea that I'd really do that but I would sure have wanted too! I just thank God everyday that my immediate family has not be touched by the illegal use of drugs...I am sure it is one of the worse scourges facing this country in the modern day. What in the hell is wrong with people???
    Do they think they are the one person who will be immune to the suffering caused by the use of illegal drugs??? ITS EXACTLY THE REMOVAL OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY BY OUR CULTURE, not much different than not watching your step on a sidewalk and a jury awarding the negligent.. laws that are designed to protect people from themselves are a very bad idea and leave permanent weakness and carelessness in society.
    Im thinking that the cut, purity and representation of the product plays a role. he manufactured a blend of drugs....
    However concerning this broad statement is Ill wait for the details before I make an opinion. I think that the big pharmaceutical should not be able to hide behind a corporation and pay money for the deaths and damages they cause, The legal rights and responsibilities enjoyed by natural persons are bound to an individual who is liable and risk freedom for violation of the law. I digress
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    Thank you for the critique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROOT View Post
    Im thinking that the cut, purity and representation of the product plays a role. he manufactured a blend of drugs....
    However concerning this broad statement is Ill wait for the details before I make an opinion. I think that the big pharmaceutical should not be able to hide behind a corporation and pay money for the deaths and damages they cause, The legal rights and responsibilities enjoyed by natural persons are bound to an individual who is liable and risk freedom for violation of the law. I digress
    For a murder conviction to stand up to appeals through progressively higher courts of appeal, proximate cause of death must be ascertained and proven...lets not confuse prosecution for murder with civil liabilities and litigation.

    I am now off to binge watch the first season of This is Us.
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