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    Quote Originally Posted by limner43 View Post
    At the risk of being labeled obtuse once again, I must repeat. If any of these allegation are or were true, why is no outrage expressed by the Republicans? Given that Republicans face a lackluster mid-term and need every lie and fabrication they can invent, why are they not painting the Clintons, their friends, and Podesta's role in the party as pedophiles and criminals? Democrats are certainly painting trump as morally bankrupt....Who knows...a call informing them of these allegations from a local community forum might just be the catalyst for a sea change in the upcoming elections. Seems as if someone should get on the phone.

    Secondly, as a practicing artist, I often view the work of other artists. One site I perused was called deviant art, a broad categorization of all kinds of subject matter, both intriguing and disturbing. By the logic.....or lack thereof....since I looked at this site, I should be labeled a deviant, my teaching credentials rescinded, and all my accolades expunged. Sounds ridiculous, right? It is. So Podesta has bizarre art on his walls......again, so what? It proves nothing, and it belongs in the trumpian bin of.........here it comes.......fake news.
    Actually, wasn’t that “deviant art” primarily on John Podesta’s brother Tony’s walls?
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    Obviously, it makes no difference where it was located. It was presented as evidence of dubious activity and judgement without any logical substantiation.

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    Thank you, Many of us that have brought up BC and HC' are not doing it to dismiss accusations against DT, We are just confused by the double standard.

    After reading more about the Vegas act It appears that the accusations about events in Russia are a confabulation of Imaginations. There is NO evidence! Furthermore , the proposed "problem" is being compromised and susceptible to Coercion by blackmail. At this point in the rumor mill and revolution that information does not hold much influence, Did we even stop to think that this entire charade is the desired disruption of the POTUS ability to do his job.


    we have overlooked much more specific and egregious accusations of sexual assault by BC that have significant substance and a pattern starting with Juanita Broaddrick and repeated over the next 40 years. Maybe the problem is that those accusations are so outlandish they have never been expected to be more true than false. More Than Whispers

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    Quote Originally Posted by KathyInAR View Post
    There sure seems to be a lot of sick f’kers (and the richer and better well known they become, the worse they seem to be) in this country...as citizens we need to be a better judge of who we send to Washington and place in positions of trust.
    No shit!!! I'm reading this stuff and am blown away. WTF are we a third world country? He's the damn president. This crap is just insane. I was in Boston for the Catholic Church horror show, it seems that this type of stuff has been going on forever.

    So, does Trump get a pass because others did? I'd like to think not.
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    I can accept that Clinton has been as much of a womanizer as trump. Their transgressions with women are both egregious. But I refuse to respect trump because of his other failings; those that affect the greater population. His habitual lies, his mercurial decision-making, and his profound ignorance of world affairs is dangerous. I understand the concern with the apparent double standard. But umbrage about the then versus now places the now in a subordinate position. Now is what we must deal with, and we can do nothing about the alleged sins of the past. That is why we bristle at the Clinton references, the Obama rants, and the insult of Democrats. For many of us who believe in truth, logical arguments, and ethical behavior, trump has assaulted our life-long belief systems; the stuff our parents taught us; the lessons we learned in school; and the life experiences that formed our values. Just as trump has stoked the fear of immigrants, he has also stoked in us the fear that these values of truth, ethics, and responsibility have been devalued and that anyone can say anything because they choose to say anything. When facts do not mater, no opposing view of an issue is possible. We post because we are desperate to salvage a quality of conversation that we sense is being eroded and our voices and the voices of post-trump will drift into the wind and disappear.
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    Now is what we must deal with, and we can do nothing about the alleged sins of the past.
    But isn't that exactly what is being done to Trump??
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    He'd show me the way according to him in return for my personal check
    I flipped my channel back to CNN and I lit another cigarette

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    Quote Originally Posted by limner43 View Post
    At the risk of being labeled obtuse once again, I must repeat. If any of these allegation are or were true, why is no outrage expressed by the Republicans? Given that Republicans face a lackluster mid-term and need every lie and fabrication they can invent, why are they not painting the Clintons, their friends, and Podesta's role in the party as pedophiles and criminals? Democrats are certainly painting trump as morally bankrupt....Who knows...a call informing them of these allegations from a local community forum might just be the catalyst for a sea change in the upcoming elections. Seems as if someone should get on the phone.

    Secondly, as a practicing artist, I often view the work of other artists. One site I perused was called deviant art, a broad categorization of all kinds of subject matter, both intriguing and disturbing. By the logic.....or lack thereof....since I looked at this site, I should be labeled a deviant, my teaching credentials rescinded, and all my accolades expunged. Sounds ridiculous, right? It is. So Podesta has bizarre art on his walls......again, so what? It proves nothing, and it belongs in the trumpian bin of.........here it comes.......fake news.
    I want to be Clear that Art can take many forms, and is absolutely subjective. Appreciation of even the most unusual is not an indication of approval, some of the most painful things in life are described with tortured images that by design are painful to view and reflect upon. However one could make some presumptions, if your large collection (that you have invested lots of money into) is composed of a particular kind of erotic art.
    But What we need to keep in mind is that all of this mud is purported to be from the same sources trying to disrupt our election. if we are to look for the scaffold of truth that supports the lies we should be inclusive.

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    Actually, wasn’t that “deviant art” primarily on John Podesta’s brother Tony’s walls?
    lets call it peado-errotic art , Tony is the art dealer who keeps numerous mutuel social ties with John who reveals much more direct involvement in those activities through the leaked emails. The entire Pizza gate scenario tried to focus on the comet pizza parlor and a flood of misinformation that took the light off those bizzare emails with peodphilic phrases. It is a laborious rabbit hole to sift through but it creates some bizzare conclusions.
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    If it is on the Internet it must be true...

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/to...lice-sketches/
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    Art is subjective, yet you can make some presumptions about a collection. Interesting theory.

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    I do not understand what drives people's taste in art...LOL I mean, I think Picasso's art is atrocious; however, others are willing to pay millions for one of his pieces of work. Go figure?? Then there is Jackson Pollock, and I swear any of us should be able to produce a work like many of his; however, we don't and no one would pay a penny for it if we did... But, alas I do know that art is subjective and I truly do believe in "to each his own" and I admire and sing praises that we have the right to choose those pieces we love and wish to own.
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    Artists like Pollock and Picasso are revered by historians simply because their creations....whatever you may think of them......changed the trajectory of the art world. For example, the Impressionists saw the world in daubs of color when the art world was practicing highly detailed realism. It represented a new theory of how we see color. Picasso painted figures as seen from several angles simultaneously, as opposed to the traditional one fixed viewpoint. Pollock focused on the unplanned interaction of paint rather than a planned composition. As Steve Jobs influenced how we communicate, these artists influenced their contemporaries and fostered new theories of expression.

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    "In the eye of the beholder" is never more prevalent than in the appreciation or not of art work. And to get back on topic of this thread, I give you ...

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    Here is what we need more of. A guy who isn't afraid to change positions as conditions warrant.

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    "In the eye of the beholder" is never more prevalent than in the appreciation or not of art work. And to get back on topic of this thread, I give you ...

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    Odd, looking at the article it shows her right eye is bruised, here it shows her left.
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    The ignorant and intolerant are always with us. Parents once objected to my teaching Catcher in the Rye and Lord of the Flies because of language and violence. But we had polite and constructive discussions. Unfortunately, trump's behavior has tacitly sanctioned a new level of intolerance and violence that has become more overt. Even the Parkland teen protesters have received death threats for their stance on gun control. So much for free speech and expression in an increasingly fascist society. Other than this forum, I avoid talking politics. I am too old to be throttled.
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    Odd, looking at the article it shows her right eye is bruised, here it shows her left.
    It's a mirror image. Look at her tattoos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limner43 View Post
    It's a mirror image. Look at her tattoos.

    Hmmm... Got it. I'm having a real slow morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastcar View Post
    Odd, looking at the article it shows her right eye is bruised, here it shows her left.
    I noticed that as well, but then noticed that one was as if looking in a mirror because the tattoo is by the other eye in both pictures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limner43 View Post
    The ignorant and intolerant are always with us. Parents once objected to my teaching Catcher in the Rye and Lord of the Flies because of language and violence. But we had polite and constructive discussions. Unfortunately, trump's behavior has tacitly sanctioned a new level of intolerance and violence that has become more overt. Even the Parkland teen protesters have received death threats for their stance on gun control. So much for free speech and expression in an increasingly fascist society. Other than this forum, I avoid talking politics. I am too old to be throttled.
    Even back in the “olden days, early ‘60s, in the 11th grade we studied Catcher in the Rye and Lord of the Flies...I enjoyed the first and hated the last...when my son studied Lord of the Flies in high school, I tried it again and still hated it.
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