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    The Trump-Sessions zero-tolerance policy of separating children from their parents at the border has no precedent except in America's slavery times.
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    Another one that has forgotten that the savior also had kids separated and put into cages.
    Which was fine then.
    I found a preacher who spoke of the light but there was brimstone in his throat
    He'd show me the way according to him in return for my personal check
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    What is being missed here is that the last major overhaul of our immigration laws was in 1996 (with a Republican majority House and Senate) signed into law by Bill Clinton, was bad law to begin with. It was a rather hastily thrown together law that was much more severe than any other immigration statutes heretofore. Since then, there have been multi-SCOTUS decisions that found some of IIRAIRA (Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996) unconstitutional as well as there have been many interim changes to IIRAIRA as it was founded to be unworkable and undesirable. Obama issued several executive orders to try and make IIRAIRA work better with the resources available and to bring it closer to the values that many wished for this country. In some instances I think his EO's went too far; but, it was his intent that they be temporary in nature until the Congress would pass Immigration Reform (and we all know how that turned out).

    I realize that the average citizen on the street would not know this unless they had taken the time to study and follow all the paths that have lead us to where we are today with immigration issues. Working in the immigration field, I can tell you that there was an inordinate amount of time and resources devoted defending Immigration Court decisions being appealed to Federal District Courts, Federal Appeals Courts, and ultimately to the Supreme Court. IIRAIRA was extremely costly to fully enforce and the resources were not made available in respect to detention...besides, the SCOTUS found that the law as it related to detention was unconstitutional and changes had to be made.

    https://www.vox.com/2016/4/28/115151...on-immigration

    The case that haunts me to this day as a result of the early days of IIRAIRA is a case whereby an 18-year-old legal permanent resident (LPR-green card holder) from the Dominican Republic (DR) got his 16-year-old girlfriend pregnant and her parents who knowingly allowed them to date had him arrested and he was ultimately charged with statutory rape, convicted and served 2 years at Riker's Island. By the time he was released, his girlfriend had become an adult and they married upon his release from prison. They went on and had two more children along with the one she had become pregnant with at 16. He had become a plumber and was gainfully employed and supporting his family in NY with his wife a stay-at-home mom. His grandmother died in the DR and he and his mother and father flew to the DR for the funeral and upon his arrival back at NYC, as he was going through Customs and Inspection, he came up as a LPR with a prior felony conviction and inadmissible and was detained and placed in proceedings. Because of his felony conviction he was not eligible for bond or to apply for relief from deportation. The immigration judge had no choice but to order him deported and of course he lost on appeal because of the law. As a result, he was deported...here was a case of an ordinary 2-parent family and contributing members of society having their family torn apart for no good reason as it didn't keep America safer nor was he a heinous criminal. During court proceedings his wife testified that if he was deported that she and their children would relocate to the DR with him. I don't know if she (an American with 3 American children) moved to the DR or not. IIRAIRA as it was at the time would have resulted in 3 American children being denied their birthright of growing up and being educated in the United States, for absolutely no reason except for their father attending his grandmother's funeral. Barring that or getting into trouble in the future he would have been allowed to legally remain in the United States. He had no other record other than the statutory rape charge and had lived as a law-abiding, tax-paying resident for years after being released from prison. Family values be damned, ruin life for an intact American family...this is the kind of thing that Obama tried to rectify and Congress has failed to act on in the past 20+ years once it became known how bad and unjust IIRAIRA is.
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    what a dick, hold kids hostage, cause he lied about mexico paying for a wall, and his uneducated supporters bought his crap, now kids suffer

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    I think it is a terrible thing Lawmakers have been to coward to address the reform for so long , passing the buck and adding temporary feel good measures. Refusing to put the work into creating a reasonable system that has clear pathways to being a citizen while effectively screening out those who may have a negative impact.

    We Can't really blame the man who is bringing the painful truth to light by 100% enforcement of the current broken system, without faulting all the previous administrations who have not dealt with it effectively.
    I don't like this method of deterrent at all, the fact it is happening is only because it is the law.
    No more bandaids , FIX it Congress !
    there is no proof whatsoever that the first word of it is truthful. Not one "fact" is has been corroborated
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    I do fault him for saying or implying that he won’t sign anything that doesn’t include full funding for “the wall.” We can’t afford the billions for a wall that would quickly be circumvented, tunneled under, or result in water entries anyway. Of course, the projected $5.5 trillion loss of revenue from the recent tax cuts would pay for a wall totally encircling the continuous 48 states and Alaska and Hawaii—so which is really that important to him?
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