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    soros is documented as the source of funding that created Antifa and gave 33 million to Ferguson rioters.
    If you happened to look at the campaigns that facebook released which were removed many of them were advertising divisive groups that implied support of these causes. They were absolutely ridicules and had no resemblance to authenticity. Many may have been shown to incite the opposite to action or give the alt left an appearance of inflated numbers of supporters.
    I Don't think those were state sponsored, The hack of the dnc's servers has lots of inconsistencies, and of course we all know about Hillary's financing the smear campaign on trump via Christopher Steel. Funny haven't seen her much since that was confirmed.

    The Sad thing is after all this we had no good choice and its not looking better for 2020
    there is no proof whatsoever that the first word of it is truthful. Not one "fact" is has been corroborated
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastcar View Post
    That Sdealers post was Bullshit?? Experience! lol

    After he was arrested he was found to be associated with them. Sorta like a prospect if he was joining a motorcycle club. A hanger on if you will.
    but you can't blame the group for unsanctioned violence by a wanna be, even if you oppose the groups ideology.
    and to be factual he was found to be in possession of a symbol that was freely available. Much as if any unstable 20 year old was in possession of a flyer from any group and committed a heinous crime to inflate his importance.
    there is no proof whatsoever that the first word of it is truthful. Not one "fact" is has been corroborated
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    I'm just going to leave this here, and I fully expect the usual snopes.com is Left, liberal, yada yada yada and therefore can't possibly put out anything that can be believed, etc...

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/riot-act/
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROOT View Post
    but you can't blame the group for unsanctioned violence by a wanna be, even if you oppose the groups ideology.
    and to be factual he was found to be in possession of a symbol that was freely available. Much as if any unstable 20 year old was in possession of a flyer from any group and committed a heinous crime to inflate his importance.
    A group and their followers that requires police every time they show up because violence seems to be their thing. They encourage violence, as you said "unsanctioned violence" . I guess the if it is sanctioned violence it is ok........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastcar View Post
    A group and their followers that requires police every time they show up because violence seems to be their thing. They encourage violence, as you said "unsanctioned violence" . I guess the if it is sanctioned violence it is ok........
    Wow! Every group that has had any kind of protest has had police present!!!
    For many reasons including violence.
    I found a preacher who spoke of the light but there was brimstone in his throat
    He'd show me the way according to him in return for my personal check
    I flipped my channel back to CNN and I lit another cigarette
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROOT View Post
    I would suspect a whole range of domestic trump derangement sufferers before I would any foreign government
    FBI agents arrest Navy veteran in Utah
    Oct. 04, 2018 - 1:05 - 39-year-old William Clyde Allen III is suspected of sending President Trump, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Navy Admiral John Richardson letters that contained castor seeds, the substance from which the deadly poison ricin is made; Jonathan Hunt reports from Los Angeles.

    AND TALK ABOUT PERSISTENT Fake news almost all of the sources are still saying Ricin as if the seed had been processed into a concentrated weapon, a whole bean would have to be chewed up to cause harm.

    this guy must be some kind of stupid.
    Awaiting his affiliations

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    Quote Originally Posted by KathyInAR View Post
    I'm just going to leave this here, and I fully expect the usual snopes.com is Left, liberal, yada yada yada and therefore can't possibly put out anything that can be believed, etc...

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/riot-act/
    did you read it? it only confirms what i said in fact its were i got my details, all that snopes denies is that he put the money directly in the hands and it goes on to convolute the path the money made from his bank to the rioters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fastcar View Post
    A group and their followers that requires police every time they show up because violence seems to be their thing. They encourage violence, as you said "unsanctioned violence" . I guess the if it is sanctioned violence it is ok........
    you know damn well the context I said that in, meant the group he was (one of several present) had not organized or sanctioned violent activity.
    However their ideology, several of the groups are non violent and not based on race. IG subjectively there were bad people (violent) and good people (Non violent free speech advocates)on both sides of these diverse groups.
    James Alex Fields Jr, The Driver, was a fkd up individual
    I quoted another source saying he was in possession of a pamphlet or symbol of one group that disavowed him but this source says it was a photo that he was seen in a group of Vanguard America members
    holding a shield and dressed like the rest . Its apparent he was associating with them at least that day.
    an interesting bit that I have not heard until now was this bit .

    Dwayne Dixon is a member of the far-left group Redneck Revolt.[18][19] Dixon was in the vicinity of 4th street (he was photographed in Justice Park, on Park Street).[20] In a 7 January Facebook post, Dixon asserted that he "chased off" Fields' car before Fields killed Heather Heyer.
    If we're willing to trust Dixon's 7 January Facebook post, then we should also trust his 3 February speech. Dixon asserted that
    [1] Fields circled around the Redneck Revolt area several times,
    [2] Dixon "waved him off" with his AR15,
    [3] in Fields' final circle (not the same as the one where he was waved off), Fields accelerated into the crowd.



    From wiki a list of participants Among the far-right groups engaged in organizing the march were the


    neutral militia groups were present at the rally, to protect the First Amendment rights of the demonstrators. Groups involved included


    Those who marched in opposition to the rally were unified in opposition to white supremacy, but "espoused a wide array of ideological beliefs, preferred tactics and political goals
    Ahead of the rally, an array of "faith-based groups, civil rights organizations, local businesses, and faculty and students at the University of Virginia" planned counterprotests.[44] In July 2017, the ecumenical and interfaith clergy group Congregate Charlottesville called for a thousand members of the clergy to counterprotest at the rally.[49][82] The Charlottesville House of Prayer also gathered at the site to pray.
    Groups counterprotesting included representatives from
    evidently a lot of activity was going on in a chat server and more details of who incited violence will come by 7/2019
    and just in time to help clear this up
    key 4 arrested which belong to a group which does sanction violence.



    Key Points
    R.A.M. (Rise Above Movement) is a white supremacist group based in Southern California whose members believe they are fighting against a “modern world” corrupted by the “destructive cultural influences” of liberals, Jews, Muslims and non-white immigrants. They refer to themselves as the “premier MMA (mixed martial arts) club of the Alt-Right.”

    • R.A.M. operates like a street-fighting club. Members actively train to do physical battle with their ideological foes, and have been involved in violent clashes during political rallies and demonstrations.
    • While they consider themselves part of the alt right, R.A.M.’s membership has deep roots in California’s racist skinhead movement, and includes individuals who have faced serious criminal charges, including assault, robbery and weapon offenses.

    Overview
    The Rise Above Movement (R.A.M.) is a white supremacist group based in Southern California (predominantly Orange County region) whose members believe they are fighting against a “modern world” corrupted by the “destructive cultural influences” of liberals, Jews, Muslims, and the effects of non-white immigration. Their ostensible goal is to restore European-American (i.e., white) culture to America and create a “conservative counter-culture” that embraces white identity and “traditional Christian” values. They see themselves as patriotic crusaders who are fighting against “communist” forces and advocating on behalf of a victimized white population.
    “We want to rise above all of today's destructive culture and see the rebirth of our people, strong in mental and physical capacities as our forefathers were. In a time when you can be harmed for your political beliefs or shamed for your heritage, we are here to defend our identity and shared goals.” Rise Above Movement, Instagram, June 12, 2017
    “The Rise Above Movement is the premier MMA club of the Alt-Right, representing the United States. Their dedication is to promote an active lifestyle and common values among young people and a future for European people. This is achieved through training, creative thinking and activism. The main task of The Rise Above Movement is to revive the spirit of a warrior and to see the rebirth of values of Western Civilization’s forefathers.” Rise Above Movement, GAB.ai, December 18, 2017
    Leadership
    Benjamin Daley of Hermosa Beach is a leader in the Rise Above Movement and is featured prominently in the group’s recruitment videos. He has traveled not only throughout California to attend rallies but also participated in the August 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. Daley has a history of using social media to promote anti-Semitic cartoons and conspiracy theories about Jewish control of the banking, media and legal system.
    Robert Rundo of San Clemente, California, is in charge of the group’s MMA training program.
    Origins
    R.A.M. consists of several dozen loosely affiliated neo-Nazis and racist skinheads who were formerly known as DIY Division, but rebranded themselves as the Rise Above Movement in the spring of 2017. “The premier MMA club of the alt right,” espouses racism, anti-Semitism and intolerance at events and online. Members have been spotted carrying “Da Goyim Know” signs, a reference to an anti-Semitic trope about Jews trying to keep non-Jews “in the dark” about their plans for world domination. During an anti-Muslim rally in San Bernardino, one member held a sign declaring, “Rapefugees Not Welcome.” Several others held a banner that read, “Defend America. Islamists Out,” and depicted lance-wielding crusaders on horseback chasing after fleeing Muslims. This is a take on the R.A.M. logo, which includes a crusader sword and an evergreen tree.



    Propensity for Violence
    The group operates like a street-fighting club, and promotes physical fitness and strength-training in preparation for altercations with counter-protesters at political rallies and demonstrations. In 2017, R.A.M. members were part of violent clashes at California rallies in Berkeley and Huntington Beach, and at the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.

    Members attend events prepared to fight, concealing their identity with skull masks or American flag themed bandanas, wearing goggles to counter pepper spray and wrapping their hands and wrists with gauze or tape to protect themselves from injuries.
    Several R.A.M. members have violent criminal backgrounds, with convictions for felony assault, robbery and weapon violations. Robert Rundo has prior convictions in New York for assault with a weapon and gang assault 2nd degree. Tyler Laube of Redondo Beach, California, has a lengthy criminal record that includes convictions for robbery and bladed weapon violations. Robert Bowman of Torrance, California, also has an extensive criminal history, and has been convicted of robbery, theft, battery, vandalism, trespassing and assault.
    R.A.M.’s violent ideology is glorified in the group’s recruitment videos and other online propaganda. The videos cut back and forth from footage of members brawling at demonstrations to scenes of members participating in workout sessions. Their digital propaganda also highlights violence against the left, and features images of members wearing t-shirts emblazoned with phrases like “Kill a Commie for Mommy,” or posing in front of graffiti of the letters GNLS, an acronym for “Good Night Left Side,” a common anti-antifa slogan.



    Activity
    In addition to working out and honing their fighting skills, R.A.M. typically participates in California events organized by other far-right groups and individuals, including Identity Evropa, Joey Gibson of Patriot Prayer, Juan Benitez Cadavid (aka Johnny Benitez), Red Elephant’s Vincent James Foxx, and Kyle Chapman of the Fraternal Order of Alt Knights.
    Occasionally, R.A.M members will organize their own protest activities. In July 2017, members attempted to disrupt a Committee for Racial Justice meeting in Santa Monica. That same month, they hung this banner over a Torrance freeway: “Secure Borders, Secure Future.”

    • Charlottesville, Virginia, August 2017: R.A.M members attended the “Unite the Right” rally and contributed to violence against counter-protesters.
    • Santa Monica, California, July 2017: R.A.M. members attempted to disrupt a Committee for Racial Justice meeting.
    • Torrance, California, July 2017: R.A.M. members hung a “Secure Borders, Secure Future” banner over the 110 Freeway.
    • San Bernardino, California, June 2017: R.A.M. members participated in an “anti-Sharia law” protest holding signs that read “Defend America Islamists out!” and “RAPEFUGEES stay away NOT WELCOME.”
    • Berkeley, California, April 2017: R.A.M. members engaged in physical altercations with counter-protesters during a “Say No to Marxism” rally hosted by Kyle Chapman and other far right activists.
    • Huntington Beach, California, March 2017: Approximately a dozen R.A.M. members attended a “Make America Great Again” rally under the banner of DIY Division. As the event turned violent, RAM members fanned out and began fighting with counter-protesters.



    there is no proof whatsoever that the first word of it is truthful. Not one "fact" is has been corroborated
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    As I said earlier, my post that started this thread was tongue-in-cheek; but, I am glad that the have arrested the guy that is suspected of doing this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROOT View Post
    I would suspect a whole range of domestic trump derangement sufferers before I would any foreign government


    Thank-You!!! Millions have the same thoughts. Glad they caught their suspect! I wonder who he's associated with. hmmmmmmmm

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